IMHO I'd say yes, breasts, topless, or undressing should be tagged whenever it applies to naked_apron. The only tags which should never be used together with naked_apron I'd consider to be ass or bottomless. The reason being is because the standard definition for naked_apron assumes front (top & bottom) is covered with only back and sides exposed.
For example, I'd consider:
naked_apron = front (top & bottom) covered by one piece apron
naked_apron + topless = front (only bottom) is covered by assumed two piece apron
naked_apron + undressing + breasts = top of one piece apron has been fully or partially undressed, breasts exposed
naked_apron + undressing = misc cloths (stockings, pantsu, seifuku etc) shown being removed to create naked_apron, front (top & bottom) covered by one piece apron
naked_cape is essentially the opposite of naked_apron, with back covered and front is exposed, so you should never tag breasts or topless since both are implied.
naked_ribbon is only a step away from just naked with everything mostly exposed, so you should never tag breasts / topless or ass / bottomless since they all are implied.
For example, I'd consider:
naked_apron = front (top & bottom) covered by one piece apron
naked_apron + topless = front (only bottom) is covered by assumed two piece apron
naked_apron + undressing + breasts = top of one piece apron has been fully or partially undressed, breasts exposed
naked_apron + undressing = misc cloths (stockings, pantsu, seifuku etc) shown being removed to create naked_apron, front (top & bottom) covered by one piece apron
naked_cape is essentially the opposite of naked_apron, with back covered and front is exposed, so you should never tag breasts or topless since both are implied.
naked_ribbon is only a step away from just naked with everything mostly exposed, so you should never tag breasts / topless or ass / bottomless since they all are implied.
ass gets used with naked all the time. It's breasts, topless, and bottomless, nopan, and no_bra that aren't supposed to be, because they indicate different levels of exposure while still being partially dressed, and many naked_apron pics depict the front of the girl rather than her back, so I'd say that it doesn't make sense to assume that naked_apron implies ass.
Obviously, there are a number of different ways to that we could go about this, but in general, I would hope that we wouldn't be trying to make this overly complicated. And treating naked_apron, naked_cape, and naked_ribbon the same as naked as far as which tags they disallow is just simpler. That's certainly what I've been doing. The only difference is that I'd apply tags like pantsu and bra to a naked_apron pic if the girl was wearing them (though if she's wearing more clothes than that, it's really just apron and not naked_apron, and we don't have a tag for that anymore).
Obviously, there are a number of different ways to that we could go about this, but in general, I would hope that we wouldn't be trying to make this overly complicated. And treating naked_apron, naked_cape, and naked_ribbon the same as naked as far as which tags they disallow is just simpler. That's certainly what I've been doing. The only difference is that I'd apply tags like pantsu and bra to a naked_apron pic if the girl was wearing them (though if she's wearing more clothes than that, it's really just apron and not naked_apron, and we don't have a tag for that anymore).
I don't really get this, since normally I'd consider both ass and breasts to be equivalent tags. If you believe that ass should be tagged when it applies to naked_apron then so should breasts.Kalessin said:
ass gets used with naked all the time. It's breasts, topless, and bottomless, nopan, and no_bra that aren't supposed to be, because they indicate different levels of exposure while still being partially dressed, and many naked_apron pics depict the front of the girl rather than her back, so I'd say that it doesn't make sense to assume that naked_apron implies ass.
The rules should be applied consistently for tag pairs, or else tagging really will be needlessly complex...
breasts & ass should have the same rules.
topless & bottomless should have the same rules.
no_bra & nopan should have the same rules.
breasts is about exposure: https://yande.re/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=breasts
whereas ass is about prominence: https://yande.re/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=ass
similar to the feet tag: https://yande.re/wiki/show?nordirect=1&title=feet
It is of course debatable as to what qualifies as "prominent," but if a character's ass and feet are merely in the image rather than being a relatively prominent feature of the image, then those tags aren't supposed to apply, whereas breasts just means that you can see that the girl's breasts were exposed, but she still has a top of some kind on (so isn't topless), or she's wearing enough other clothing to not be counted as naked. So, her breasts could be a very unprominent part of the image, an the tag would still apply. Just having them exposed is enough for the tag, unlike with ass or feet. And the wiki entries on those tags make that fairly clear. Also, ass and feet apply when those body parts are prominent but clothed, whereas breasts does not apply if the breasts are not exposed.
Yes I was aware of that, but you've misunderstood me. All I was saying is that rules should be applied in similar ways for similar tags.
You seem to be arguing that ass should be tagged with naked_apron when it is prominent, yet breasts should not be tagged when they are exposed. This is what doesn't make any sense.
With naked_apron, the breasts would normally NOT be exposed because they are covered by the apron. If they are exposed, it should be tagged since that would no longer be the default state implied by the tag.
You seem to be arguing that ass should be tagged with naked_apron when it is prominent, yet breasts should not be tagged when they are exposed. This is what doesn't make any sense.
With naked_apron, the breasts would normally NOT be exposed because they are covered by the apron. If they are exposed, it should be tagged since that would no longer be the default state implied by the tag.
I'm arguing that breasts shouldn't apply to naked_apron because it's a naked_* tag and thus should be treated like naked in that it assumes exposure. As it is, just because an image is tagged with naked doesn't mean that the girl's breasts are visible (e.g. because you're seeing her from the back). Because of that, it could certainly be argued that breasts should apply to naked girls if their breasts are exposed, but the mods decided against that.
I'm bringing this up because it was my understanding that breasts did not apply to any of the naked_* tags, and I thought that that was how it was being enforced by the mods based on what I'd seen. So, I've been removing the breasts tag from on any naked_apron pic where the breasts tag didn't apply to another girl in the pic whenever I've seen it for ages now, and I was going to point out to someone that they'd been using the breasts tag incorrectly by applying it to a naked_apron pic but noticed that one of the mods had tagged a naked_apron pic with breasts. So, what I really want to know is what the mods want done. Did one mod get it wrong (be it on just an image or two or be it systematically), or is it that they do want breasts to apply to the naked_apron tag.
Personally, I don't think that it makes sense to have a naked_apron tag as opposed to an apron tag if tags like bottomless or breasts can be applied to girl with the naked_apron, but the real question is what the mods want, since they're the ones who decide how the tags should be applied.
I'm bringing this up because it was my understanding that breasts did not apply to any of the naked_* tags, and I thought that that was how it was being enforced by the mods based on what I'd seen. So, I've been removing the breasts tag from on any naked_apron pic where the breasts tag didn't apply to another girl in the pic whenever I've seen it for ages now, and I was going to point out to someone that they'd been using the breasts tag incorrectly by applying it to a naked_apron pic but noticed that one of the mods had tagged a naked_apron pic with breasts. So, what I really want to know is what the mods want done. Did one mod get it wrong (be it on just an image or two or be it systematically), or is it that they do want breasts to apply to the naked_apron tag.
Personally, I don't think that it makes sense to have a naked_apron tag as opposed to an apron tag if tags like bottomless or breasts can be applied to girl with the naked_apron, but the real question is what the mods want, since they're the ones who decide how the tags should be applied.
Kalessin
breasts and naked_apron