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hiroimo2

over 1 year ago

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Impressive! Tards from 2007 and tards from 2023 still believe exporting jpeg with "quality" knob cranked up to 100 results in magical "lossless quality" file even though jpeg codec still compresses data. That painting's size due canvas texture (rather pointless at such large dimensions).
png >47MB
jpeg 100 30MB
jpeg 96 (libjpeg-turbo, no quantisation) 10.54MB
jpeg 75 (libjpeg-turbo, no quantisation) 2.01MB
jxl would solve this problem, but google fanboys suck so much dicks chrome devs decided to pull good codec out. Congrats.

Thorcsf

over 1 year ago

I always convert every image I download from Yande.re and Pixiv (either JPEG 96+ or PNG) to JPEG 95. It still looks visually flawless (no artifacts visible even in 100% zoom) and drastically reduces size comparing to JPEG 100 and PNG. As I have thousands of images from Yande.re and Pixiv saved in my HDD, it saves a lot of space.

Photos from DSLR cameras (and Photoshop JPEG quality 12) are saved in JPEG 98 and look flawless. So I think saving images in JPEG 100 is rather unnecessary and creates unnecessarily very large files, like this.

I don't know this JXL, never heard of it, but WEBP is supposedly (that I know of) the best codec for quality X file size (creates smaller files than JPEG with the same or better quality), but as it's a codec created by Google for faster webpages loading, and I think they hold the patent for it, they have exclusivity of it, so there's almost no image editor currently in the market that saves images with that codec (specially if you are looking for an image editor that saves/convert images in batch). It's an image format usually used by programmers and web masters, and you have to use Google API, so for the everyday user, it's a rather hassle to try to replace JPEG for WEBP for everyday use, specially if you deal with tons of images all the time like I do.

P.S. Oh, if it's of interest for anyone, the image editor that I use to batch convert images is FastStone Image Viewer. It's a free, very good and light image viewer and editor with many functions, tools, and customization options. It always launch images in full screen with any background color that you choose (black being the default). As I said, it's very light and it opens images very fast and also closes very fast just by hitting Esc. You can also fast and easily navigate through images in folders and sub-folders; and you can even customize the size of the thumbnails shown in its navigation interface. You can even see videos in it, and the video files also appear in the navigation interface. You can also launch other video players and image editors directly from it with an image or video selected. It can recognize and open every image and video format, even RAW from digital cameras, WEBP, and WEBM.

yrumddldluxduzrf

over 1 year ago

Thorcsf said:
<...> FastStone Image Viewer. <...>

IrfanView allows to quickly use a Slide Show function to browse through such hoard of images and videos, shuffling the list. FastStone doesn't.
Also, how would you keep duplicates from popping up in your collection? Someone might add or remove a "breast_hold"-tag here, you'd see the image again somehow and then you'll try to save it again and then it has the filename different from what it was before, appearing kind of unique.

Marona762

over 1 year ago

Thorcsf said:
I don't know this JXL, never heard of it, but WEBP is supposedly (that I know of) the best codec for quality X file size (creates smaller files than JPEG with the same or better quality), but as it's a codec created by Google for faster webpages loading, and I think they hold the patent for it, they have exclusivity of it, so there's almost no image editor currently in the market that saves images with that codec (specially if you are looking for an image editor that saves/convert images in batch). It's an image format usually used by programmers and web masters, and you have to use Google API, so for the everyday user, it's a rather hassle to try to replace JPEG for WEBP for everyday use, specially if you deal with tons of images all the time like I do.

IrfanView (with a plugin) can handle Webp images just fine (including batch converting)

Also Webp it's compatible with pretty much every internet browser under the sun, so I don't really get what's the issue

Trit

over 1 year ago

Thorcsf said:
I always convert every image I download from Yande.re and Pixiv (either JPEG 96+ or PNG) to JPEG 95. It still looks visually flawless (no artifacts visible even in 100% zoom) and drastically reduces size comparing to JPEG 100 and PNG. As I have thousands of images from Yande.re and Pixiv saved in my HDD, it saves a lot of space.

You too? XD

90% for me, though. I try to always keep files under 1 MiB (I save generally only sample pictures because they are 1500px length, except if their width is under 1024px for portraits or 768px for landscape pictures; in this case, I open them in GIMP and I resize them to 1600, 1800, 2000 or 2500px length).

Limengqing

over 1 year ago

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Thorcsf

over 1 year ago

Oops, I postponed to check this post for answers, but I had no idea so much time had passed. :P

yrumddldluxduzrf said:
IrfanView allows to quickly use a Slide Show function to browse through such hoard of images and videos, shuffling the list. FastStone doesn't.

I tried IrfanView once years ago (when I was already a user of FastStone for some time), and I detested its UI and the need of two separate windows - like two separate apps (?) - to navigate through thumbnails and opened images separately. What the heck? FastStone navigates through thumbnails, folders, images/videos, and view them in full screen in the same window! Much faster and much more practical! Read more... (quick video with a little tour through FastStone available)

Launched images from Windows Explorer directly open in full screen in FastStone (I know you can do it in Irfan too), but while in Irfan you can only see the full-sized image and navigate through the other images in that folder in full size, in FastStone, when you open an image from Windows Explorer in full screen, you can just hit Enter and it opens the navigation menu, where you can see all the images, videos, and folders in that folder as thumbnails on the left and a large sample on the right. In Irfan, if you want to see the thumbnails of the images and videos in a folder, you have to separately open IrfanView Thumbnails as a separate app to navigate through the thumbnails of the images and videos in an specific folder, and you have to ACTUALLY navigate through all the folders in the system root to find the folder you want in a very boring, time-consuming and inconvenient way; while in FastStone, you just click - or hit Enter - on the image you want to open in Windows Explorer and it launches in full screen in FastStone, and you just hit Enter again and, voilà, you are already in the thumbnails view in that folder! Not to mention that the navigation through the thumbnails of images/videos/folders in FastStone is much faster, easier, seamless, and convenient than in IrfanView Thumbnails.

You can also make a custom sort of the files in the thumbnails view. The default view is by filename, but you can also sort by size, date, type, dimension, etc. And, as I said, you can make your own sort by dragging the thumbnails of the files to the positions you want. Speaking of customization, FastStone is hugely customizable! Its whole UI is customizable! Sorry if I am looking like a salesman of FastStone, I'm just trying to show why I prefer it over IrfanView. Another great feature of FastStone is the option to tag files and view just the tagged files in the thumbnails view and also in the full screen navigation of any specific folder.

Another cool and very handy feature of FastStone is, when you are seeing images in full screen, you can just move the mouse cursor to any of the four edges of the screen to have different options to see, navigate, manipulate, and edit the image. To the right you see its EXIF information (for photographs), file information, histogram, and JPEG comment (if any); to the top you can navigate through the thumbnails of the files in that folder; to the left you have many options to edit the image; and to the bottom you have more editing and viewing options.

Here, I've made a quick video with a quick tour through FastStone in which I show part of my Pixiv collection (warning: NSFW, explicit content) (open the video in full screen to see better): https://mega.nz/file/fGxlDYQI#gZoaerw68pYZHBDL3Tjgg9hu-FCk23o7XWP8CE0PPA8.

yrumddldluxduzrf said:
Also, how would you keep duplicates from popping up in your collection? Someone might add or remove a "breast_hold"-tag here, you'd see the image again somehow and then you'll try to save it again and then it has the filename different from what it was before, appearing kind of unique.

Why would I somehow see an image again here just because someone edited the tags? Editing the tags in any image here on Yande.re doesn't send it to the top of the index, it will stay in the same place. Read more...

Marona762 said:
IrfanView (with a plugin) can handle Webp images just fine (including batch converting)

Also Webp it's compatible with pretty much every internet browser under the sun, so I don't really get what's the issue

I didn't know IrfanView could save (including batch converting) images to WEBP format. FastStone can open WEBP and WEBM files without needing any plugin, but it doesn't save images in that format, just as Photoshop and most image editors. Sometime ago I searched the internet for an image editor that could batch save/convert images to WEBP, but the only one I found was GIMP, but it only saves one image at a time (like Photoshop), it doesn't batch save/convert images. That's why I said, "it's a rather hassle to try to replace JPEG for WEBP for everyday use, specially if you deal with tons of images all the time like I do."

Trit said:
You too? XD

90% for me, though. I try to always keep files under 1 MiB (I save generally only sample pictures because they are 1500px length, except if their width is under 1024px for portraits or 768px for landscape pictures;

Only 1500px, 1024px, and 768px? Is you monitor 1024x768px? Mine is a 24'', 1920x1080px monitor, so my minimal standard for images is 1920px on the longer side or 1080px on the shorter side, whichever fills the whole screen without blank spaces on the sides. If they are less than that (usually low-res images from Pixiv), I enlarge them with AI. I can rotate my monitor to see images in the landscape position or in portrait position, and I always do that (when I'm viewing the saved images in my HDD with my image viewer). I also like to zoom into pictures, so even when I get high-res images from Pixiv or Yande.re, even greater than 1920x1080, I keep them at the original resolution. And sometimes even images that are already filling my whole screen in 1920x1080px, even then I sometimes enlarge them more with AI, if I want to see smaller/far away characters bigger in the picture, or parts of the character's body bigger/closer.

Trit said:
in this case, I open them in GIMP and I resize them to 1600, 1800, 2000 or 2500px length).

Please, don't do that with GIMP or any other normal image editor, they will just create more pixels based on the neighbors and blurry the image and/or create visible larger pixels, decreasing the quality and sharpness of the picture. Read more...

To enlarge artwork (illustrations) pictures maintaining their quality, sharpness and details, use Bigjpg (https://bigjpg.com/ ) or Waifu2x (https://waifu2x.udp.jp/ ). They are AI image enlargers that use neural networks to actually create a new, larger, picture based on the smaller, original one. They don't take the original image and simply enlarge it like normal image editors do, they actually draw/create a new, larger, picture based on the original. The result is flawless most of the time, you can't say that that image was "enlarged". Most of the time it looks like they were originally drawn in that resolution! Every detail, quality, and sharpness is kept and even enhanced. Sometimes you see details you couldn't see before! But you usually only have perfect results like that if the original image was already in a decent resolution and has decent details; if the original image is too small, the AI enlargement's result will not be so good; but still much better than normal image editors' enlargement.

Waifu2x is only browser-based, and you can only enlarge one image at a time, and you have to solve captchas every time; and it has a limitation, it cannot enlarge images that are originally bigger than 1500px; but it's totally free and has no limit of images. Bigjpg has an app, with a GUI, but you can only enlarge 20 images per month for free. But they have a paid subscription that, in my opinion, is very worth it. The Standard plan (the one I'm subscribed to) costs only $12 per 6 months, so it's only $2 per month! And you can enlarge up to 1000 images per month, and there's no limit (I think) to the original image's resolution, like in Waifu2x; you can enlarge images that are originally bigger than 1500px! You can also batch enlarge images without need to solve captchas. But be aware that if you use Bigjpg, you should convert images to PNG before enlarging them there, because if you enlarge JPEG images there, it saves them in JPEG in a somewhat flawed manner, but images in PNG, it keeps them in PNG. Waifu2x always saves images in PNG, even if you upload JPEG ones. You can convert them back to JPEG or WEBP after the enlargement, to save space in the HDD.

yrumddldluxduzrf

over 1 year ago

Thorcsf said:
Oops, I postponed to check this post for answers, but I had no idea so much time had passed. :P
<...>

GIMP has separate batch image conversion plug-ins that allow whatever set of tools, filters, adjustments and formats applied to, well, batches of images.
Add that on top of Webp support and voila.

I don't see myself enjoying any of the functions you highlighted for FastStone.

Issue of names and dupes was me mispredicting specifics of your habits, though I did fruitlessly look up the question of how can I rename a bunch of files in Windows to the hash-values of those files once.

Genex

over 1 year ago

Thorcsf said:

Waifu2x is only browser-based, and you can only enlarge one image at a time, and you have to solve captchas every time; and it has a limitation, it cannot enlarge images that are originally bigger than 1500px; but it's totally free and has no limit of images. .

Waifu2x is in the Mac app store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waifu2x/id1286485858?platform=mac and has iphone/ipad versions. You can also use Xcode to compile the github version for the Mac as well. I've used the app store version without any problems.

Thorcsf said:
They are AI image enlargers that use neural networks to actually create a new, larger, picture based on the smaller, original one. They don't take the original image and simply enlarge it like normal image editors do, they actually draw/create a new, larger, picture based on the original. The result is flawless most of the time, you can't say that that image was "enlarged". Most of the time it looks like they were originally drawn in that resolution! Every detail, quality, and sharpness is kept and even enhanced. Sometimes you see details you couldn't see before!

This is the first positive use of AI I've ever read. Using the original art to make a better larger copy.

Thorcsf

over 1 year ago

yrumddldluxduzrf said:
GIMP has separate batch image conversion plug-ins that allow whatever set of tools, filters, adjustments and formats applied to, well, batches of images.
Add that on top of Webp support and voila.

FastStone also do all that without needing any plugin. All in the same window/app: viewing images in large size/full screen, navigating through the thumbnails in any assortment you want (even custom), batch converting/renaming, etc. (EDIT: oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about IrfanView again; I only noticed you were talking about GIMP after I posted this whole message and re-read it). The only exception being WEBP support (it can open/view WEBP and WEBM, but not save in that format). Did you see the quick video tour that I made of FastStone (though I didn't show how batch converting/renaming works there)?

Genex said:
Waifu2x is in the Mac app store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waifu2x/id1286485858?platform=mac and has iphone/ipad versions. You can also use Xcode to compile the github version for the Mac as well. I've used the app store version without any problems.

This app is not official, it says there that it's not affiliated with the original Waifu2x project. The original Waifu2x project (as far as I know) is only browser-based and has those limitations that I mentioned. Only enlarge 1 image at a time, has to solve captchas every time, only enlarge images that are originally up to 1500px, and only enlarged up to 2x (by the time I wrote the previous message); now it seems it enlarges up to 4x (but it is still experimental). But it's free and unlimited. Besides, I don't have a Mac, I use PC.

But could it be that this app has all the same functions and no limitations as Bigjpg?

Bigjpg can:
- batch enlarge images;
- no captchas;
- enlarge up to 16x; and
- has no limitation for the original image's resolution; it enlarges even images that are already high-res.

The only con in comparison to Waifu2x is that it's paid (has a free version, but it's limited to 20 images per month), but not a big deal, very affordable and very worth it for me.

Genex said:
This is the first positive use of AI I've ever read. Using the original art to make a better larger copy.

Haha, you must be referring to AI-generated images that are on trend now. I don't mind them. Some of them are really beautiful and incredible. Some people think it's theft of other artists works, but I don't think creating images based on other artists works is theft; many artists that actually draw the images they create, do so coping other artists' style. I've seen countless artists imitating Sakimichan's style; really coping it.

Read more...

But apart from the artworks industry, AI has MANY positive uses today in software, machines, etc., that are making life better and easier for everyone, like: search engines that give better results and predict what you are typing and even recognize speech; self-service when you call/contact a company and are answered by a machine that can read what you type or recognize what you say; AIs like Amazon's Alexa that give you news, search results, execute commands, and even control your house from your speech; mobs and NPCs on games that are becoming increasingly more intelligent; tools in software that seem to create magic, like Photoshop's Content Aware tool; and many more...

Recently I've also started using a photo enlargement software (https://www.topazlabs.com/gigapixel-ai ) that also seem to create magic sometimes. It doesn't only enlarge photos, it also denoise, enhance, and even create details (like teeth and eyes). A few days ago I enlarged a very old erotic picture of a girl that I've had for years in my PC that I like very much. I have it for more than 20 years, since I was a teenager, and I'm a mature adult now. The picture shows a girl under a shower, wet, with the skin soapy. It was low-res and had a very poor quality and many artifacts. The software not only enlarged the picture with perfect sharpness and details, but also created more details that weren't visible in the original picture: the details on her skin were incredible, you could see hair in detail on her arm that were only badly and poorly visible before; the soap on her skin was impressively highly detailed, in high resolution, and very realistic; and even her pubic hair was also very detailed; not to mention that all the noises and artifacts were gone! I was shocked and perplexed! The image that I've had for more than 20 years, that I liked very much, looked like it was a new, high-res image from a modern camera in front of me! On that same day I've upscaled/enhanced many old photos that I've had in my PC for years. Every result amazing. And many others in my collection that I've also had for many years that I also liked very much. This new technology is AMAZING! It looks like magic!

But returning to Bigjpg/Waifu2x, it's really amazing what they can do to artworks! Here's an example of what I did with a picture of Chocola from NEKOPARA that I've found on the internet. It's a sample picture with faded colors in 800px resolution. I've upscaled it 4x (to 3200px) with Bigjpg and enhanced the colors with Adobe Lightroom. The original file is named "3076015" and the enlarged/enhanced one is "3076015 (L)" (download for better viewing/comparing them on your favorite image viewer on the PC/Mac, specially the difference in size): https://mega.nz/folder/iXoU2bQS#is_o2QUmEbue5OrpycP-ow.

The details and sharpness are not perfect. In 100% zoom you can notice that it was upscaled, but even then the result is amazing, comparing to the original picture! And it was upscaled 4x; bigger enlargements tend to produce more flawed results. Also highly detailed images, like this, are also harder to produce flawless results when upscaling with AI; simpler, less detailed images, make better results, usually flawless. So when upscaling more detailed images like this you have to make a balance between resolution size and quality to your liking.

The only thing I couldn't do was to remove the 'Sample' watermark, because it's too big and completely over Chocola, and I'm not a magician like hiroimo2! LOL.

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