looks totaly like redjuice's artstyle... but redjuice's picture are much better than this.
why do so many ''artist's'' copy other good one's like ishikei oder redjuice? I've seen this so often, and it really bothers me.

Hitagi said:
looks totaly like redjuice's artstyle... but redjuice's picture are much better than this.
why do so many ''artist's'' copy other good one's like ishikei oder redjuice? I've seen this so often, and it really bothers me.

there is no way to improve your skill other than coping.
originalities are just crap in 99% cases.

of course there are other way's to improve your skill. how do you think learned ishikei his perfect anatomy skills? one way to improve your drawing skill is to draw from life, and the other one is to practice, practice, practice.
if you just started drawing anime, you can copy other styles and pictures to practice, just to learn the basics. but after that you should develop your own artstyle.
i hope your comment wasn't serious...

of cause lerning anatomy and sketching reals are part of coping the way of learning of other artists.

only 1% can reach to have originality.
people caught by the delusion of their originality before reached this level have no future, like many DA artsts.

Anatomy is pretty much geometry when it comes to drawing, you don't learn it from other people, you learn it from math books :D

In truth, learning anatomy is easy enough. just need several months.
to get the cubic sense inner brain is the most tough thing, usually it takes several years image traing every day.

It's not like copying the style. A lot of people have the same style. There's no problem with it. Copying is what some deviantards are doing, for example vector tracing, minimally modifying images (for example with nekomimi) - and they say those are their "own original art". May Nil's style is similar to Redjuice's or Ishikei's, but that don't makes him worse artist.

in my eyes he's a bad 'artist' if he needs to copy someone elses style. It's unoriginal. I have nothing against pictures that remind me of another artists style, but Nil it totally copying redjuice's style. Why doens't he draw in his own style? he will never be famous with a copied style. It's the same with this guy who is copying bleach and say's its his own style. (btw, he even trace's pictures from the bleach manga...)

woa, sorry for putting 'style' in every sentence... ˊ·ω·ˋ

nil is just 22 years student still in the middle of schooling, and his carriar is only 1 year. currently learning many artist's drawing.
noone blame on a student who is getting the style of his beloved teacher.
but you anticipate him as a pro ∀ﾟ)ｸﾜｯ

Hitagi, how do you know he's copying redjuice? What if he has never seen redjuices works and this IS his original works and it just happens to be very much like redjuices? It's not unheard of

@Azarel: he does know Redjuice, he has at pixiv in his favoritelist pictures from him.

@midzki: the age doens't matter, that's no excuse of copying Redjuice's style. I don't know if he asked Redjuice to learn from his style, i can't read japanese.

lol, you even don't know how to learn any arts

lol, you don't know me. i draw in my freetime, and i KNOW how to learn arts. ˊ·ω·ˋ

Well, I don't know about you, but I draw too. I'm not a good artist but anyway, I think the best way to learn is basing yourself on a art that you really like. After that, you grow your own style.
It can be really similar, but it's not the same. I don't see the style imitation as a copy, because it'll always looks like different.

(omg my english sux so much right now, sorry ;_;)

Maariana said:
Well, I don't know about you, but I draw too. I'm not a good artist but anyway, I think the best way to learn is basing yourself on a art that you really like. After that, you grow your own style.
It can be really similar, but it's not the same. I don't see the style imitation as a copy, because it'll always looks like different.

(omg my english sux so much right now, sorry ;_;)

Your English is flawless. If you didn't say anything, I wouldn't have known it wasn't your native language.

like you people who have a gift and no need to learn from others never understand us who hasn't gift and need special efforts to get skills from others.
saying for us non talent to stop imitating and do only our originals means give up learning

yes, it's good to 'copy' other artists to learn the BASICS, but after that, as is said before, you should try to draw without references. :/ I'm sure that later, if he wants to make money out of his drawings, he has trouble, because it looks just too much like Redjuice. Nil is lying to himself because after copying Redjuice for such a long time it will be hard for him to get back to his own style, so i don't see the point in drawing like another person if he know's the basics. Many artists don't need to copy someone else to draw good, they practice everyday and get better. It's hard to explain, because my native language is not english, sorry about that.

How stubborn... I have jaffa cakes and a Samsung monitor! Therefore your argument is invalid.

Musicans are playing song composed by others, before they can elaborate their own style, or write their own songs. Still, they can be original. If Nil is really that bad, go to the pixiv, tell him by yourself, and prevent him from further drawing.

I'm off.

@midzki: people who have 'talent' need to learn as much as people who don't have talent. they need to practice everyday to be as good as their favorite artists. with your technique you won't draw in a original style. You can learn from other artist's drawings, but please do not copy them, you just lie to yourself. :/ well... you can copy them, i dont want to say its forbidden or something.

dkamm65 said:
Your English is flawless. If you didn't say anything, I wouldn't have known it wasn't your native language.

awn, thank you ♥

Hitagi, it's kinda hard to give up of a style that you use for a long time. Eventually he'll find his own style, please be patient >:

hehe, sorry shanyy. what you said is the conclusion already, but I derailed the subjuct intensionally.
having the same style isn't illegal. he can't be troubled with this style legally. only problem is just someone bitching on his style.

midzki said:
there is no way to improve your skill other than coping.

I agree.

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midzki said:
like you people who have a gift and no need to learn from others never understand us who hasn't gift and need special efforts to get skills from others.
saying for us non talent to stop imitating and do only our originals means give up learning

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Final spoilerSorry for this long boring message, this subject is something that touches me a lot, and I always wanted to say this to someone. I wish I could put everything between "spoilers", but spoiler only work for a single line.

Debbie said:
I wish I could put everything between "spoilers", but spoiler only work for a single line.

You could make multiple Spoiler Tags for each paragraph Debbie.

Mmm, ok I'll do this. Orz sorry...

Debbie said:
Mmm, ok I'll do this. Orz sorry...

Just a suggestion. No worries.

Thank you for the suggestion AZD-sama, you are always so helpful.

@debbie: well... it's one thing to look at other artists pictures and try to draw it as the artist did it, to practice (which, i think, is okay) And the other thing is to copy someones style completely, altough the artist can draw well without copying (like the picture above from nil). Because many artists copy other good artists the anime style is called unoriginal. (i don't think it is, but look @ deviantart and you get what i mean... ˊ·ω·ˋ) here in germany many 'artists' copy Arina Tanemuras art... :/ every artists goal should it be to develop their own style, i understand that you need to practice in 'copying' other artists at the beginning, but sometimes it just goes too far, like this pictures from Nil...
yep, i shouldnt care about things other artists do, but when i see pictures thats style is copied i just get angry... because they say it's their own drawing and style altough it's not... urrrgg x_x

and yes, you did improve. ˊ·ω·ˋ But if you want to get really good at drawing, you should think with your own mind and don't rely too much on other artists. i hope i don't sound mean τωτ

You don't sound mean, Hitagi, don't worry dear! Few months ago I thought like you. So I completely understand your point of view! It does make sense. Let's hope that Nil will develop its own style, but if it doesn't... Not too bad, his art is still gorgeous.

Arina Tanemura, oh I love her style. I can understand why so many people copy her.
And thanks so much, I actually changed dA accounts spoilerhttp://debbie-chan.deviantart.com Mmm I'll sure consider what you've just said. Thanks for the tip.

*phew* okay ˊ·ω·ˋ
i hope so too, he should use his talent not to copy redjuice, because i think he can be a good artist without trying to draw like him. but whatever, i dont really care anymore. ⊙ 3⊙

and btw, your style is really cute, altough i can see trough your pictures that you really like urotan. hoho. (i like urotan too ˊ·ω·ˋ)

Hitagi said:
i hope so too, he should use his talent not to copy redjuice, because i think he can be a good artist without trying to draw like him.

I think so too!

and btw, your style is really cute, altough i can see trough your pictures that you really like urotan. hoho.

Ahaha... Yeah, I'm constantly trying to change my style... I'm always afraid my style gets too similar to Urotan's and he disapproves it... This is also why I think twice before fan arting any of his characters too...

(i like urotan too ˊ·ω·ˋ)

OH JOY! Oh really? Have you checked his updates? Sounds incredible, no?

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Anyways, everyone who commented on this picture have a good point, I enjoyed reading everyone's comments. MI comments are generally nice, I prefer them over Danbooru's.

(when nil said he is drawing his own style?
all he said is he likes redjuice and he wanna become like him, then you get argry at this attitude..)

Oh, did Nil said that?
Sorry, I didn't know... All I know is what's written here...
Mmm I'm not angry, actually I checked Nil's works and they are so good!
Sorry midzki didn't mean to offend anyone. I like this picture very much.

it's not the comment for you, debbie ( ´ ▽ ` )ﾉ
I checked nil's accound before the first comment, and knew he thinks himself immature and been trying hard learning arts. so I got a sympathy to him.
but there is someone who is bitching his effort, that made me mad a bit.. (-ω-*)ゞ

midzki said:
hehe, sorry shanyy.

Hah, there is no need for sorry from you, I was speaking to the "uncomprehending one". ^_^ But as I see, she stopped the shiatstorm. In spite of he still don't understands... ^___^
About the rest of your conversation, I fully agree with you, Debbie and midziki.

Edit: The poster below me is a baka. :P

I just wanted to point out that i'm not okay with copying someones style... so i can't see nil as an real artist. It's my opinion. I understand that it takes time do finish such a picture and he wants to learn from redjuice, but for me, this is no excuse to copy someone. Don't get angry at me over that ˊ·ω·ˋ
And I'm not a he shanyy

lets finish with this, i see that i'm quite alone with my opinion and i dont see a point in discussing any further

Ah... Just try not to think too radical, Hitagi. Understand both sides. Lately life has been showing that equlibrium is the best. Not too copy, not too original.

Enough now. Start a thread in the forum if you want to continue bickering.