Won't this franchise just die already, or at least remove the lolis?
I doubt any lolicon still care about it.

TheUnspoken said:
Won't this franchise just die already, or at least remove the lolis?
I doubt any lolicon still care about it.

How the fuck do you know?

Yeah. I don't follow the series but I doubt everyone that does has the same perspective as you.

Okay, maybe there are some lolicons that care about it, but that's like the minority of a minority.
And why do I know this? Maybe because lolis have become weak and useless in the franchise, while the titular character have grown up, way beyond that of an anime girl, and into mother territory.

What are you even trying to say? Please find a reasonable excuse to criticise it.

Radioactive said:
What are you even trying to say? Please find a reasonable excuse to criticise it.

Criticise what? The franchise? Or the picture in question?
I'm just saying it's already flipped off lolicons, so they shouldn't leave them in it, since the audience they chose to cater instead don't like lolis anyways.

I think you'll find they don't care what you think.

I'm not talking about me personally, but both the audience they don't have anymore, and their current target audience, is that somehow hard to understand?
Am I talking in some ancient language here or something?

Let me break it down to you: the franchise already showed the middle finger to lolicons. So lolicons do not care about an anti-lolicon franchise like Nanoha anymore.
And their current, "wider" target audience, so the mecha/shounen fight/big breast fans mostly won't like, or even get irritated by sexualized lolis.
The best way for the franchise would be to just get rid of the lolis, they don't serve any purpose anymore whatsoever.

Where are you getting the 'audience they do't have anymore' from? It's still popular from what I know. Just because you hate it for 'reasons' isn't good enough criticism.

Is the animation bad?
Is the plot poor?
Does the music suck?

Radioactive said:
Where are you getting the 'audience they do't have anymore' from? It's still popular from what I know. Just because you hate it for 'reasons' isn't good enough criticism.

Is the animation bad?
Is the plot poor?
Does the music suck?

You're just playing dumb now, right? The audience they don't have anymore is the lolicon audience. They still have a wide (even wider, as that was the plan) audience now than originally, but that doesn't include lolicons.
Please do not talk about something I did not speak of (that is, the title's quality). I'm merely speaking that they should get rid of the lolis, for everyone's sake, instead of pretend that the fans still care about them.

Personally, I don’t care if there are lolis or not in this franchise: I like this saga for itself, and not just because the main characters are/were kids. And I think the vast majority of the other fans share my opinion.

Now that I said that… Tu saoûles, Unspoken !!! À chaque fois qu’une image liée à Nanoha passe ici, il faut que tu la ramènes pour déverser ta bile, juste parce que tes gamines chéries ont grandi et que tu l’acceptes pas ! C’est bon, on a compris, depuis le temps ! Pas la peine d’en rajouter une couche à chaque fois et de faire ch×er le monde parce que monsieur n’est pas content que des lolis soient devenues des adultes, voire simplement des ados, au fur et à mesure que l’histoire avance ! Et s’il te plaît, arrête de te croire représentatif du public fan de la saga (en tout cas, à l’international ; au Japon, je sais pas, mais j’en doute aussi) : toi, tu fais seulement partie de la frange la plus lolicon, c’est tout.

Et franchement, que Nanoha perde son public le plus lolicon, heu, comment dire… ? Ce serait sûrement pas un mal, dans l’absolu !

Et viens pas te plaindre, parce que tu le méritais depuis longtemps, ce coup de gueule !

(Ouais, j’avais la flemme de traduire… Mais même sans ça, tu devrais saisir le sens général de mes propos ; ou d’autres se chargeront de t’en faire un résumé, s’ils veulent)

I get most of what you're saying, but if you want to randomly go ad hominem on me, you can do it on English all right.
And you are wrong, while Nanoha has a lot of fans today, there was a huge audience shift, and it doesn't just end at flipping off and getting rid of those "pedo creeps" as they didn't want to associate with them any longer after the franchise got popular, but also it stopped being magical girl to any extent, and instead of magical girl/mecha now it's shounen tournament fight/mecha with only a hint of magic.
And yes, I think they should stop baiting for lolicons, and just remove lolis altogether. It's obvious it's an anti-lolicon franchise.

TheUnspoken said:
Won't this franchise just die already, or at least remove the lolis?
I doubt any lolicon still care about it.

I usually stay out of these little rants, but at this point I just have to say I'm astonished at how long you stay angry and hold grudges against things like this. You have been posting negative comments like this, about this series in particular, for years now.

Life is short, you know? Why spend so much time being upset about something you can't control anyway? Hobbies are meant to be enjoyed, and it doesn't seem like you do.

It's evident he'll never change. I'm not going to say anything further, as this ought to be discussed in the forum.

I'm practically omnivore as long it is normal human shape, cute and have vagina. Big tits nor DFC, I welcome.

Most of you just wasting time replying to him when argue about loli. I still remember when xe angry about Sakura in Tenshi no 3P. Xe probably have no life or work anyway, so waste the time and bitching something that xe don't like.

I still like Nanoha Force just for their machine design aka Strike Cannon because it looks bad ass. Story not that good. Looking it animated in Nanoha Movie Reflection is even better. Vivid too much focus at Vivio.

omega8719 said:
Xe probably have no life or work anyway, so waste the time and bitching something that xe don't like.

Yeah, well needed ad hominem!
Also, I'm not talking about you, but lolicons obviously. Not "practically omnivores".

If the omnivore audience is big enough there would be no need to remove lolis from the series.
Also, if sales are still good, it's safe to say the inclusion of lolis is not hurting the series.

It's just another kick in lolicons. That's why it's so horrible for one.

If we're gonna talk about specifically lolis, what's wrong with Vivio and Einhart? :c While Fate and Nanoha were great and you can come for the lolis, who gets upset and completely checks out of a series when it wants to progress in time after 26 or so episodes? I'm a fan of the loli archetype and even I think this is grasping at straws because it's still a present theme and it went in a logical direction. I'm not sure who you're speaking for here, the new lolis are delightful and one of the most popular ships became canon.

TheUnspoken said:
I get most of what you're saying, but if you want to randomly go ad hominem on me, you can do it on English all right.

It was late and if I can read English quite easily now, this is another thing to write in this language: I’m constantly thinking about what word to put after the others.

Kitouski said:
The new lolis are delightful and one of the most popular ships became canon.

What ship? (Note: I have only read the 82 first chapters of MGLN Vivid, until now)

Kitouski said:
If we're gonna talk about specifically lolis, what's wrong with Vivio and Einhart?

Aside from being weak and irrelevant in any serious situation that's not just some shounen tournament? Oh wait they are not relevant even there, only in an ADULT MODE.
And what new lolis are you talking about? Fuuka and Rinne are not loli.

@Trit: The Nanoha x Fate shipping.

@TheUnspoken: I'm talking about exactly the two characters you addressed in your first sentence, Vivio and Einhart. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the later seasons as much as the first two but you've stated this isn't about you and it's about the people who like lolis... yet most people here seem accepting enough with how things progressed for better or worse. Are you sure you're not projecting a bit and hiding behind 'it's not me, IT'S EVERYONE."? It's fine if you didn't like it, but I feel like by being a loli fan, finding Vivio and Einhart delightful and finding the show fine (most people WOULD agree, a quick MAL comb over would prove that) from your point of view I should be ashamed given how you're speaking in generalizations about a group. (Which mind you is a usually a terrible way to debate.)

Since the majority of its fans are not lolicons anymore, of course they are fine with how it's progressing. A loli fan wouldn't be delighted that loli Vivio and Einhart are weak as shit to the point they even have to turn into GLORIOUS ADULT MODE for the play fighting they do.