I don't understand this artist. There's a big gap in the quality of the girls he draws X the guys. He always draws the girls so nicely (I specially like this work: post #487903), but the men are always poorly drawn, horrendous and disproportionate, like in this post and specially here: post #487863. They look like titans from Shingeki no Kyojin. Sometimes it makes the whole image inappreciable, like this one. The whole bottom of the girl to the left is so beautifully drawn; I really made an effort to like this picture, but I just can't stand those horrendous guys.

It's really not hard to understand when an ugly artist wants to create self-inserts for the guys, or just wants to draw guys that he (and his ugly fans too) can feel superior to, in regards to physical appearance.

I'm not just talking about how hideous they are, they are also poorly drawn, in comparison to the girls, that are very nicely drawn; that's why I said: "a big gap in the quality"; that's what I don't understand. As I said, they are also disproportionate, they are unnaturally bigger than the girls, specially in that other work that I mentioned. They look like monsters, or titans, like I said earlier. When I look at a boy + girl picture, if I am to imagine myself in their place, I'd like them to be good-looking, proportionate and nicely drawn too (the only exception is real monsters, like goblins or gigantic insects, etc., but even then they should match in the quality and proportion). I do not like to put (and can't imagine) myself in the skin of a hideous, gigantic and poorly drawn guy. They ruin the whole picture! And the other work that I mentioned is even worse, they look like gigantic dummies there! Sorry if our opinions diverge, but this kind of work is not pleasant for me.

You are overthinking this.

What TheUnspoken says is in some ways correct. You can also see this as humiliating the women by them being raped by human/near-human characters. I'm no fan of this.

I saw some other pics, but I'll say there's nothing unnatural about a guy being that much larger than the girl.
And it's obvious why he doesn't put much effort into drawing guys, as they are not the focus, or should I say, none of the target audience gives a shit about how they look.

I wonder how much effort has been expanded into drawing guys well on other explicit images. I'm guessing it's a very small percentage where the artist has spend that time.

Ugly guys can really ruin an image. Like this one for example...
Would be better to let the faces blank than this.

It's the "destroying and defiling a precious thing" kind of perversion, it's just a perversion from the big barrel of perversions.

TheUnspoken said:
I saw some other pics, but I'll say there's nothing unnatural about a guy being that much larger than the girl.

Really? Did you look at post #487863? Their size is evidently unnatural compared to the girl's size. Look at their heads, their mouths, their noses... the whole body! And so poorly drawn. Totally unnatural!

TheUnspoken said:
And it's obvious why he doesn't put much effort into drawing guys, as they are not the focus, or should I say, none of the target audience gives a shit about how they look.

I do care. As I said, the guys are so horrendous, disproportionate and badly drawn that they ruin the whole picture, even if the girls are beautifully drawn. It's like the image is 50% good and 50% bad. It's unbalanced. I made an effort to like it, as the left girl's bottom is so beautiful and nicely drawn, as I said before; but the 50% bad of the picture makes it unpleasant for me. :(

P.S. And if the guys stand out in the picture like this, the artist should put more effort into drawing them.

Radioactive said:
I wonder how much effort has been expanded into drawing guys well on other explicit images. I'm guessing it's a very small percentage where the artist has spend that time.

I've seen many, like here, here, here, here, somewhat here, here, here, here, and from this own artist, here he made a better job. Even if the artist doesn't put much effort into drawing the guys, he can at least DON'T make them horrendous and make them proportionate. That would improve a lot the overall quality of the picture.

BattlequeenYume said:
Ugly guys can really ruin an image. Like this one for example...
Would be better to let the faces blank than this.

Finally someone who agrees. :D I would also prefer blank faces than that. Although I dislike everything unnatural: poorly drawn guys (if they stand out in the picture, like here), disproportionate guys, flying dicks, flying hands, etc.; and also horrendous guys.

You're just not part of the target audience. There are many artists that focus on drawing guys I guess, if you're more into that.
Meanwhile an artist who draws for people who want to see the girls only and care little about the guys have no reason to put in multiple times the effort into his pictures for the sake of a very small percentage wider audience.

Also, the sizes of the guys is definitely not the problem or even that unnatural.

TheUnspoken said:
You're just not part of the target audience.

Sure I ain't. :P This artist draws girls very nicely. I do not oppose all of his works, there are some of them that I liked and favorited. But I surely don't like boy + girl pictures when the guys are horrendous, badly drawn (if they stand out in the picture) and unnaturally disproportionate. I do not mind when the guys are poorly drawn if they are just a small part of the picture and the focus is on the girl, not the couple, like here (by the way, this is one of the pictures I favorited and grabbed to my collection), but if they stand out in the picture and their faces appear, like in this post, I really dislike if they are horrendous, poorly drawn and gigantic (more regarding the other picture that I mentioned, and this one is the guy to the right). But the ugliness is really the worst part.

TheUnspoken said:
There are many artists that focus on drawing guys I guess, if you're more into that.

I don't know if you are trying to provoke me or if you didn't understand what I meant. I couldn't care less about lone guys, I was talking about hetero pictures (boy + girl)! Sakimichan is a popular artist who draws guys very well, but I don't like her works because she draws the girls' bodies horribly disproportionate and unnatural, and I'm in for the girls. When I'm talking about boy + girl pictures, it's really unpleasant when the guys fucking the girls are horrendous. It ruins the whole picture; and even more if they stand out in the picture being poorly drawn and gigantic.

TheUnspoken said:
Meanwhile an artist who draws for people who want to see the girls only and care little about the guys have no reason to put in multiple times the effort into his pictures for the sake of a very small percentage wider audience.

Actually most of the artists who draws boy + girl pictures that I see, draws the guys matching in quality with the girls (specially if they stand out in the picture) and don't make them horrendous. It's so few artists that I have seen that puts so little effort in the guys and make them really ugly. If that wasn't the case, I wouldn't have said anything about this artist or his works. As you could see, I showed a lot of examples to Radioactive. I had much more, but I guessed that was enough. :)

Have a nice day! ;)

There was a theory put forth by the late Toren Smith as to why guys are drawn poorly. The average male reader can't relate to a fit male in the picture when they themselves are in poor shape and the fit guy reminds them that they will never have that hot beauty. It's also the reason for male interest in girl on girl sex: No guy to be jealous of.

Make of it what you will.

Genex said:
The average male reader can't relate to a fit male in the picture when they themselves are in poor shape and the fit guy reminds them that they will never have that hot beauty. .

That's how women think. You're right in the you'll never get a 2d cutie tho.

@Thorcsf
Yup, that's basically what I summarized in "the target audience for his pictures don't care about guys".
And when I told you "focus on drawing guys" I didn't mean that they focus on guys only, but that there are artists that draw them properly too, so if it's important to you, then you should look up their works, but you can't expect all artists that draw girls well to care about a narrow audience that wants to see well drawn guys too, and multiple their efforts in order to cater to them too.

Genex said:
There was a theory put forth by the late Toren Smith as to why guys are drawn poorly. The average male reader can't relate to a fit male in the picture when they themselves are in poor shape and the fit guy reminds them that they will never have that hot beauty.

I understand what you mean, and it somewhat makes sense, but I don't quite agree. And by the way you say it, you are assuming that the average male readers are all fat and ugly, which is not always the case.
You see, I'm not a very handsome man myself, and I'm not fit anymore for quite some time, ever since I left the gym years ago. I'm an average guy (unpopular with the women) with an average body, but even so I prefer to see porn when the girl is being fucked by a fit and nicely drawn guy and not by an horrendous, poorly drawn guy. I sincerely prefer to imagine myself in the place of a fit or normal guy than to imagine myself in the place of an horrendous guy. You see, in porn with real people, the guys are always fit (at least in Western porn) and it always pleases the "average male audience". :P

Genex said:
It's also the reason for male interest in girl on girl sex: No guy to be jealous of.

I don't think that's the reason. IMHO, the reason why hetero guys like girl + girl sex is the same reason why hetero girls like man + man sex, because they like the opposite sex, and double the opposite sex is double the fun! Even more if they interact with each other. That's why men like ménage à trois so much: because it's him with two girls! Double the fun! A man in the scene is not a turn down; if it were, hetero porn would've never been so popular! I recently watched a ménage à trois scene in a popular visual novel that gave birth to a big anime franchise (I won't say the name to don't give any spoilers), and it was the B-E-S-T porn scene I've ever seen in my life! I've never had so much pleasure with a porn scene before! And it was a ménage à trois: boy + girl + girl (with the girls interacting with each other). The male in the scene makes it easier for the male spectator to imagine himself in the scene (in the place of the male character); easier than it would be with a girl + girl scene with no male. I also like gangbang a lot; it really turns me on seeing a girl giving to multiple guys. It makes her look like a naughty girl. :P

blooregardo said:
That's how women think. You're right in the you'll never get a 2d cutie tho.

LOL! Your comments are always the best! Your good humor matches your avatar! :D

TheUnspoken said:
And when I told you "focus on drawing guys" I didn't mean that they focus on guys only, but that there are artists that draw them properly too

OK, my mistake then. ;)

TheUnspoken said:
so if it's important to you, then you should look up their works

Don't worry, I already know a lot of artists that draws men properly in boy + girl pictures. :) And when I say "properly", I'm actually not very demanding on quality of the guys, I just don't want them to be horrendous, very poorly drawn (if they stand out in the picture) and disproportionate. Simple.

TheUnspoken said:
but you can't expect all artists that draw girls well to care about a narrow audience that wants to see well drawn guys too

I don't expect. As I said, I already have my favorite artists and others that I also like. And I don't think that's really a narrow audience, maybe that's just your opinion. We can't actually know for sure the preference of the majority unless there's some kind of poll or study on it. :P

@Thorcsf:
Let me phrase it like this: the extra amount needed to put into drawing the guys correctly does most likely not match the percentage of audience that will be interested in his works.
He can dash out two pictures of his trademarks in the same time he would otherwise be able to come out with one for example.
I'm not saying this is a good or neccesarily a bad thing, just saying it so that you understand his reasoning behind it, and yeah, he can probably grab a (sad) minority with the ugly guys too.

At the time, somewhere between 1998-2004 when he wrote this, anime porn fans were in the "get a life"...or "get a bath" category. Now that Toren is not around to explain further, I'll have to let it rest with him. Personally I see H as just something I like, not as a substitute for what I can't get.

Are you talking about the appreciation of pornograghy?