I think people should learn what a blacklist is, and how to use it. It's already there for them to use, and requires very little effort on their part.admin2 said:
4) do nothing
4) nothing.
Blacklists are there for a reson, if people are too dumb to use them, then they should just shut up instead of going "HURR DURR".
Blacklists are there for a reson, if people are too dumb to use them, then they should just shut up instead of going "HURR DURR".
3) hide images by default unless unchecked in profile
Most of us don't actively seek that content. Isn't that how the loli stuff is already, default hidden? No one seems to mind that. That way it's really your choice to see it, instead of it being impossible to avoid.
Most of us don't actively seek that content. Isn't that how the loli stuff is already, default hidden? No one seems to mind that. That way it's really your choice to see it, instead of it being impossible to avoid.
3) hide images by default unless unchecked in profile
I agree with cheese. Probably best that way.
I agree with cheese. Probably best that way.
First I would say don't delete anything. People can always blacklist specific tags for subject matters they don't like.
Currently anything with nudity gets marked explicit, sexy non-nude is questionable, and normal non-nude is safe (at least that is how it seems to be done currently).
For this reason I would also propose creating a new tag called hardcore, or adding a new rating above explicit to separate softcore and hardcore images.
Also I wouldn't be opposed (if a hardcore rating or tag is added like I suggest), to have those images hidden by default, and to be required to explicitly enable them in your profile settings. In addition you could optionally revive ero.imouto.org in a sense so it is possible to view the content of both ero and moe together on the same page (in its current merged fashion) or separately if desired.
Currently anything with nudity gets marked explicit, sexy non-nude is questionable, and normal non-nude is safe (at least that is how it seems to be done currently).
For this reason I would also propose creating a new tag called hardcore, or adding a new rating above explicit to separate softcore and hardcore images.
Also I wouldn't be opposed (if a hardcore rating or tag is added like I suggest), to have those images hidden by default, and to be required to explicitly enable them in your profile settings. In addition you could optionally revive ero.imouto.org in a sense so it is possible to view the content of both ero and moe together on the same page (in its current merged fashion) or separately if desired.
I've been rating images according to http://moe.imouto.org/help/ratings
Nudity with genitals exposed = explicit
Other nudity = questionable
Blacklisting is fine, but it doesn't work if the images aren't properly tagged. The images that caused this stir were up for at least a couple of hours with just tagme on them, so having them blacklisted wouldn't have prevented them from showing up.
Nudity with genitals exposed = explicit
Other nudity = questionable
Blacklisting is fine, but it doesn't work if the images aren't properly tagged. The images that caused this stir were up for at least a couple of hours with just tagme on them, so having them blacklisted wouldn't have prevented them from showing up.
I vote for cyberbeing..Cyberbeing said:
For this reason I would also propose creating a new tag called hardcore, or adding a new rating above explicit to separate softcore and hardcore images.
I can't add tags for every images while batch uploading, but I can set rating.
I still think it would make sense to add a 4th category.vistigris said:
I've been rating images according to http://moe.imouto.org/help/ratings
A rating for nsfw hardcore nudity
A rating for nsfw softcore nudity
A rating for 'ecchi'/sexual/suggestive non-nude images
And keeping safe for non-nude, non-ecchi, non-sexual, non-suggestive, completely sfw images.
The only problem is it would take a bit of work to rate and/or tag everything again.
I think nsfw = explicit
softcore/ecchi = questionable
stuff you can look at work = safe
edit:
Also I was thinking of changing the explicit/questionable/safe to something like this:
hentai/ecchi/safe
That should make it easier to rate
softcore/ecchi = questionable
stuff you can look at work = safe
edit:
Also I was thinking of changing the explicit/questionable/safe to something like this:
hentai/ecchi/safe
That should make it easier to rate
How do you batch upload? I batch upload with tags using curl.midzki said:
I vote for cyberbeing..
I can't add tags for every images while batch uploading, but I can set rating.
There is still a massive problem with full nude softcore (which you say should be questionable) images being mixed in with explicit.admin2 said:
I think nsfw = explicit
softcore/ecchi = questionable
stuff you can look at work = safe
Here are a few quick examples out of what I'm sure are many many thousands of softcore images rated incorrectly as explicit by your definition, when they should be questionable.
post #54252 post #54251 post #54245 post #44197 post #41852 post #41747 post #54254 post #54140 post #54141 post #54139 post #54137 post #54136 post #54135 post #54133 post #54131 post #54130 post #54124
There are whole categories of niche stuff that most people don't seek out, and that many people generally won't like. This is one of the strengths of image boards--being able to find stuff to your taste, even if your taste is obscure (within the general parameters of the board--probably not much Picasso here, tentacles or no). So, maybe many people don't particularly like tentacle porn, but I don't think that's a good criteria for blacklisting it by default. Many people don't like urushihara_satoshi, too.
If we started allowing yaoi, I'd probably put that in as a default, and maybe "pregnant rating:e" is a reasonable one (which would, incidentally, cover the original image), but in general I don't think expanding this list is the answer.
My current plan is to think up a way to make adding to your own blacklist more convenient and obvious, since it's buried in the account options right now.
If we started allowing yaoi, I'd probably put that in as a default, and maybe "pregnant rating:e" is a reasonable one (which would, incidentally, cover the original image), but in general I don't think expanding this list is the answer.
My current plan is to think up a way to make adding to your own blacklist more convenient and obvious, since it's buried in the account options right now.
Those have exposed pussies and are therefore rated correctly...Cyberbeing said:
There is still a massive problem with full nude softcore (which you say should be questionable) images being mixed in with explicit.
Here are a few quick examples out of what I'm sure are many many thousands of softcore images rated incorrectly as explicit by your definition, when they should be questionable.
post #54252 post #54251 post #54245 post #44197 post #41852 post #41747 post #54254 post #54140
But admin2 just said softcore, like the ones I linked, should be questionable. Exposed pussy without penetration or anything sexual about them is softcore. Think of it like artistic nudes.vistigris said:
Those have exposed pussies and are therefore rated correctly...
Only hardcore should be rated as explicit if there is not going to be another rating added.
This is a bit of a tangent, so let's move it to the other thread...
There is another thread? Goes and looks... Oh, you made a rating thread: http://moe.imouto.org/forum/show/2359petopeto said:
This is a bit of a tangent, so let's move it to the other thread...
I didn't think I was hijacking because it would accomplish the same thing by lumping hardcore and odd fetishes into a new rating, but I'll continue over there. The whole reason I suggested it in the first place was because it would be part of a solution to this issue that suddenly came up.
doing all by my own hand one by one ;_;Eruru said:
How do you batch upload? I batch upload with tags using curl.
Vote for option #3
From my perspective.
Safe = like admin2 said, anything that can view publicly at work, the library or at work.
Questionable = See through, not showing any vaginal area that is purposebly exposed, partial nipple showing such as post #54294
Explcit = Tentacle, sex, bukkake, and what other obscene exposure.
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Something such as Post #54254 is obviously not safe for work, but as long as viewing it privately or at home it's just questionable.
Safe = like admin2 said, anything that can view publicly at work, the library or at work.
Questionable = See through, not showing any vaginal area that is purposebly exposed, partial nipple showing such as post #54294
Explcit = Tentacle, sex, bukkake, and what other obscene exposure.
~~~
Something such as Post #54254 is obviously not safe for work, but as long as viewing it privately or at home it's just questionable.
add another rating option "unrated" or something?
also what about reimplenting ero imouto and move all h images there ?
also what about reimplenting ero imouto and move all h images there ?
I personally suggest 3: Hide unless manually enabled.
It's quite difficult to achieve agreement on the default hide threshold of "hardcoreness", but it's no point we leave it unmanaged just because of this difficulty.
It's quite difficult to achieve agreement on the default hide threshold of "hardcoreness", but it's no point we leave it unmanaged just because of this difficulty.
OH MY!
About time we talked about this. I'm all for certain tags to be added as default to the blacklist, and the images/thumbnails to hidden unless implicitly you've unchecked the option.
1 & 3
What should be added to the blacklists? Guro, tentacles, Q:Loli (Only E at the moment) pregnant. What else?
About time we talked about this. I'm all for certain tags to be added as default to the blacklist, and the images/thumbnails to hidden unless implicitly you've unchecked the option.
1 & 3
What should be added to the blacklists? Guro, tentacles, Q:Loli (Only E at the moment) pregnant. What else?
No. It works better with one point of entry.also what about reimplenting ero imouto and move all h images there ?
I'm either fine as long as it's not 2).MDGeist said:
add another rating option "unrated" or something?
also what about reimplenting ero imouto and move all h images there ?
Bestiality, if Post #54184 and similar aren't going to be deleted.Radioactive said:
What should be added to the blacklists?
I'm actually for #2, ban the images. The reason being that I can't see how any of tentacles, bukkake and other questionable content falls in the 'moe' category. Doesn't most people put an equality mark between the words 'qute' and 'moe'? (OK, I know that the original meaning of the word 'moe' is a bit different).
Personally I thought this place was more about quteness (and a bit hotness in the form of (explicit) nudity) rather than hardcore stuff. Can't we just let 4chan handle the hardcore stuff :) ?
(Just curious, how come 'pregnant' got lumped together with the other questionable stuff? Are there ppl who dislike the look of pregnant girls/women?)
Personally I thought this place was more about quteness (and a bit hotness in the form of (explicit) nudity) rather than hardcore stuff. Can't we just let 4chan handle the hardcore stuff :) ?
(Just curious, how come 'pregnant' got lumped together with the other questionable stuff? Are there ppl who dislike the look of pregnant girls/women?)
And people who like it what? It's just a point of view. I think blacklists are for something. If you don't like it, blacklist it.ncmaothvez said:
(Just curious, how come 'pregnant' got lumped together with the other questionable stuff? Are there ppl who dislike the look of pregnant girls/women?)
Agreed. With all the complaints, we might as well add, black list what you don't want to see. I'm not even sure how much users even read the TOS or the forums.Shuugo said:
And people who like it what? It's just a point of view. I think blacklists are for something. If you don't like it, blacklist it.
I'm not against some, but blacklisting tentacles by default is getting carried away. Might as well throw urushihara_satoshi in there, or "male".
But again, people should just blacklist stuff they don't like themselves, and time permitting I'll be looking into a way to make it more obvious.
But again, people should just blacklist stuff they don't like themselves, and time permitting I'll be looking into a way to make it more obvious.
The site doesn't just do 'moe' images. Have you missed the mecha, & male tags?ncmaothvez said:
I'm actually for #2, ban the images. The reason being that I can't see how any of tentacles, bukkake and other questionable content falls in the 'moe' category.
Be realistic. Most people don't read everything put in front of them. When was the last time you RTFM?aoie_emesai said:
I'm not even sure how much users even read the TOS or the forums.
Tentacles was originally added as a tag so people could blacklist. I'm sure it was discussed somewhere in the forum/comments? I'm not saying blacklist everything, just add the 'extreme' tags to the default blacklist for new users. Existing users can add their own tags.petopeto said:
I'm not against some, but blacklisting tentacles by default is getting carried away. Might as well throw urushihara_satoshi in there, or "male".
I think that is the right way to approach it. I'm not sure how you can make it any bloody more obvious though.But again, people should just blacklist stuff they don't like themselves, and time permitting I'll be looking into a way to make it more obvious.
admin2
OH MY! Tentacles, Bukkake, Pregnant, and other questionable content
1) add the tags automatically to default black list
2) ban the images
3) hide images by default unless unchecked in profile
4) do nothing
Any other suggestions?