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The artstyle looks different from the Kanae...

Two comments and neither point out the massive flaw that ruins the entire image.

bunnygirl223 said:
Two comments and neither point out the massive flaw that ruins the entire image.

Did you mean the way her left leg didn't go through her panties, or did you mean something else? If it's the former, I don't necessarily think it "ruins the entire image"; I think it's possible that Hontani intentionally made the artistic choice to draw it this way, as drawing it more realistically could make it less visually appealing.

Welp, now can't unsee

fireattack said:
Welp, now can't unsee

You're welcome. ;)
On a serious note though, I'm pretty sure drawing the panties "correctly" will make them more distorted (they'll have to be twisted and pulled further up, following her left leg), and therefore less pleasing to the eye, possibly less arousing too.

cklodar said:
I think it's possible that Hontani intentionally made the artistic choice to draw it this way

ah yes, the infamous "pansu-censorship" technique.

Abraxas said:
ah yes, the infamous "pansu-censorship" technique.

Although, to be fair, you won't find many heroines forgetting to put one leg through. :)
What would be really cool is if we later find out that Sylvia really is this type of a careless and/or playful character, and that what's depicted in this pic is something she would actually do. Currently her official description looks very promising.

cklodar said:
If it's the former, I don't necessarily think it "ruins the entire image"; I think it's possible that Hontani intentionally made the artistic choice to draw it this way, as drawing it more realistically could make it less visually appealing.

Wearing panties like that is physically impossible.

bunnygirl223 said:
Wearing panties like that is physically impossible.

Not impossible, just not what you'd normally do. Other than posing for a picture, that is.

Unless you have a special shape of butt (like very pointy), I don't think it's possible, practically speaking.

fireattack said:
Unless you have a special shape of butt (like very pointy), I don't think it's possible, practically speaking.

When you're posing for a picture, there's more than one way to make it stick there. I wouldn't call that impossible.

cklodar said:
When you're posing for a picture, there's more than one way to make it stick there. I wouldn't call that impossible.

"Making it stick there" is not the issue. Try it yourself and you will understand immediately why anatomy prevents this from being possible.

bunnygirl223 said:
"Making it stick there" is not the issue. Try it yourself and you will understand immediately why anatomy prevents this from being possible.

I fail to see what "prevents this from being possible." Please do elaborate.

cklodar said:
I fail to see what "prevents this from being possible."

Now we're getting somewhere.

It is difficult to explain, so I have created a visual demonstration of how the panties should look at best, assuming she has some way of holding them in position in the first place. But even this mock up is generous.

https://imgur.com/a/L4h4c

bunnygirl223 said:
Now we're getting somewhere.

It is difficult to explain, so I have created a visual demonstration of how the panties should look at best, assuming she has some way of holding them in position in the first place. But even this mock up is generous.

https://imgur.com/a/L4h4c

Interesting. Though I don't see anything fundamentally different between your silhouette and the original, other than "one is pulled further up"; i.e., I still don't see what you are pointing to when you reject the original as impossible.

Plus, as I have said before we wandered into this "possible in real life or not" debate, the reason Hontani chose to draw it lower is to use it as a "censoring device", in order to visually appeal. Unless it really is physically impossible, as you have maintained, I would still argue that the way she drew it is the better way to go, if only for reasons of artistic value.

Oh, I think I might be catching your point now. Are you saying that, because her left leg is folded and held up, whereas her right leg is flat on the bed, it's "physically impossible" for her panties to be almost completely level, as if she was wearing it with both legs flat?

If that's what you're arguing... I still don't think it's impossible. There really is nothing physical or anatomical, in my opinion, that will prevent someone from "wearing" panties in this way, and making them sufficiently level.

Take some glue or tape and everything is possible ! *rolleyes* ^^

drfeelgood said:
Take some glue or tape and everything is possible ! *rolleyes* ^^

That's the spirit! Hopefully that really is the type of character Sylvia is.

It's totally possible to pose like this without any tape or glue or whatever tool to help holding the panty in place in real life.
If you don't believe me, you can try it yourself, yes I tried it & only with the help of my left leg by pressing the side from falling off.

cklodar said:
I don't understand

Sadly I am falling victim to wasting more brain cells on this flawed image. I can't back down for something so blatantly obvious.

spoilerThere are several things I am attempting to demonstrate to you with my mock up. The panties cannot be worn neatly and tucked around the vulva as if she is wearing them normally when in this position. They have to be stretched and distanced. Anatomy dictates that this girl has ass cheeks, one of which you can see the majority of. The panty back has to go somewhere and thus cannot be completely hidden. (You can however achieve this somewhat with a very stretchy g-string, which she isn't wearing because it tapers out on the bottom, and gets wider towards her left.) In addition, it would be required to hold the panties in place somehow - which cannot be done with just pressure of the leg - and she is clearly not doing it with her hands. The mock up demonstrates a very neat and stylized version of what would pass as acceptable, but really it's about as unrealistic as standard helium tits and rubber skin that comes with the territory. Again, feel free to try this yourself or on your girlfriend for some hard evidence.

The stupidity of the concept still stands. And yes, john.doe, I am ashamed to admit that I have already tried it myself and have verified exactly what I have been saying.

I think the main problem is her left butt.

When you do such pose, your butt shouldn't "extrude" that much from your crotch.

fireattack said:
I think the main problem is her left butt.

That, along with her disjointed right hip/leg, t-rex arms, and a head almost as wide as her shoulders. The more I examine this image the more fail I see.

That's just being nitpicking, many artist drew characters with shoulders-wided-head, t-rex-arms, ear-sized-eye, eyes-located-on-lower-half-of-head, & many other unrealistic body structure.
It's their style of drawing a moe character.

Take kantoku as an example, his characters have more realistic four limbs, but still have shoulders-wided-head & eyes-located-on-lower-half-of-head.

She's quite a sight to behold Hontani Kanae.

Hmm...

john.doe said:
That's just being nitpicking, many artist drew characters with shoulders-wided-head, t-rex-arms, ear-sized-eye, eyes-located-on-lower-half-of-head, & many other unrealistic body structure.
It's their style of drawing a moe character.

Take kantoku as an example, his characters have more realistic four limbs, but still have shoulders-wided-head & eyes-located-on-lower-half-of-head.

Have to agree, anime doesn't need realistic body proportions. That pantsu part is indeed a bit fail but honestly this sort of fail happens alot in eroge, pic is fine otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, I am not hating on stylized proportions. As someone who has a whole room dedicated to moe artwork, I have my fair share of bobble heads on display. I like Kantoku and Tinkle's artwork, but their characters tend to be younger and more loli so the giant heads make more sense (and both artists have a grasp of basic anatomy with no t-rex arms). I am even a fan of Hontani's work. But this picture is not worth passionately defending.

bunnygirl223 said:
Sadly I am falling victim to wasting more brain cells on this flawed image.

Oh don’t worry, your brain cells didn’t die in vain. Nor did mine. I think this discussion is very much worth it, if only for the sake of exchanging ideas. :)

I did consider where the panty back has gone, but to me, it could easily have been folded or twisted into a rope shape, and hidden under the upper part of her left butt cheek. Her panties should be made of cloth after all.

It’s not my belief that this pose is possible without some glue or tape; it’s true that she isn’t holding the panties with her hands. But she’s posing for a picture, as I’ve said, and please, just let my little fantasy about her character stay alive. ;) So far, based on how she is described in her official description and what she is seen doing in the opening movie, it’s entirely possible that this kind of pose is indeed her thing.

Let’s just end this debate here. I recognize your position that this pose is not physically possible, but maintain that, while not a common sight, it should still be doable. Instead of debating, I’ll take a moment to admire the art. (From this point on I’m just sharing my personal thoughts, not necessarily seeking agreement.) Where you see flaws, I see a reasonably well-done piece of tapestry art, especially for an artist like Hontani. Man do I hate and love Hontani. Disjointed right hip/leg? A little bit. T-Rex arms? True that. Super large head? Not so extreme to me. But despite the flaws, Hontani nailed Sylvia’s facial features and expressions here, and what I see is a playful girl having fun with the camera and flirting with the protagonist holding it. That’s not what Hontani can consistently deliver; in fact she has a name for fxxking up the face in a CG or a set of tachie every now and then. (Can’t stress how much I hate, for example, Shranui Inori’s first kiss CG (from Hanasaki Work Spring!); that broken-beyond-recognition face ruined everything. Or Karumaruka * Circle PS VITA Limited Edition’s cover art; I refuse to recognize that girl on the left as Amagase Natsuki.) So when she does it right (mostly), I do find myself compelled to help promote it, so that more people can come to appreciate it; and hence the discussion with you and others here. Are there flaws in this pic? Sure, I’ve already conceded that. Will I defend it with passion next time? Oh yeah, every time.

cklodar said:
Too much text

I find it very curious that you request the end of the debate, and yet in the same post you get in every last word that you can. How honorable of you. Lighten up and don't take everything so personally, it is just a sub par piece of artwork. Also keep in mind that by defending this image, you are promoting nothing. No matter how you look at it, this is an image board which collects images in unsavory ways (scanned artbooks, Patreon-only images, etc). And next time be considerate and use a spoiler tag for your wall of text, thanks.

bunnygirl223 said:
I find it very curious that you request the end of the debate, and yet in the same post you get in every last word that you can. How honorable of you. Lighten up and don't take everything so personally, it is just a sub par piece of artwork. Also keep in mind that by defending this image, you are promoting nothing. No matter how you look at it, this is an image board which collects images in unsavory ways (scanned artbooks, Patreon-only images, etc). And next time be considerate and use a spoiler tag for your wall of text, thanks.

Oh of course I was going to put out every last bit of my argument. You just did yours too, no? ;) We've both stated our positions, and the debate ends here. As for the spoiler tag, sorry if I got it wrong, but I haven't heard it can, or should be used for any long text.

Hey I just passed by and am wondering one thing. If what you guys wanted were a 100% realistic girl why are you looking at these artworks.

Please no arguing in the comments. Take this to forums not in the comment section.

This argument has been done with for over a week. But I'll bite.

psi237 said:
Hey I just passed by and am wondering one thing. If what you guys wanted were a 100% realistic girl why are you looking at these artworks.

Stylization is one thing. But even anime girls have to follow basic anatomy. Do you like it when Tony draws girls with backwards feet?