The last upload by BattlequeenYume, who seems have (rage)quit… We’ll miss them.

Trit said:
We’ll miss them.

Same

Trit said:
The last upload by BattlequeenYume, who seems have (rage)quit… We’ll miss them.

lol what's happened?

Kaito_kid said:
lol what's happened?

They have left after having being criticized for uploading too many images per day (and hiding them, see comments under post #1217742) and received two negative records from two mods (including a newly promoted one). Warning: a lot of posts are in Chinese, so use a translation tool if you can’t read this language.

They still post on Konachan, but this is not the same thing; and a consequence was that there were a lot less new (publicly shown) daily posts in the Yande.re’s index since their departure.

Trit said:
They have left after having being criticized for uploading too many images per day (and hiding them, see comments under post #1217742) and received two negative records from two mods (including a newly promoted one). Warning: a lot of posts are in Chinese, so use a translation tool if you can’t read this language.

The last sentence from himeno records is a bit wrong, it could mean “don't use the hold function” when Yume using it to avoid spam index with “tagme” posts like Dreista doing few years ago. I still remember when fireattack told us not to use the hold function for posts except pool posts or batch uploads, but now we use hold for any posts.

oh no... yume posts a lot of nice stuff too...

Arsy said:
The last sentence from himeno records is a bit wrong, it could mean “don't use the hold function” when Yume using it to avoid spam index with “tagme” posts like Dreista doing few years ago. I still remember when fireattack told us not to use the hold function for posts except pool posts or batch uploads, but now we use hold for any posts.

First of all, I can't guarantee that my meaning is conveyed accurately because I use a translation tool.

If you want to hide images that shouldn't be hidden, don't upload them.

You misunderstood my point.
Hide means -show.
Because when we add the hide tag to the image, the result is -show.

himeno_nanako said:
You misunderstood my point.

What I talking is "At the same time, you should improve the tags of the images you upload as soon as possible.", it's not completely wrong since Yume purpose using hold for avoid spam index with "tagme" posts.

Arsy said:
What I talking is "At the same time, you should improve the tags of the images you upload as soon as possible.", it's not completely wrong since Yume purpose using hold for avoid spam index with "tagme" posts.

This is not completely wrong, but it has its limits.

The page I spend the most time browsing on this site is the history page.
I go through all the history every day and do my best to check it.

I know that besides BQY, there are many users who don't care about the quality of tags.
But they don't upload a lot of images every day.
The difference in quantity is the problem.

Since BQY uploads a large number of images every day, he has the obligation to improve the tags.
Based on the edit history, I can see that BQY relies on wq's help.

For the images uploaded by BQY, if wq accidentally missed a image, I can often see wq adding tags for the missed image the next day.
BQY not only failed to improve the tags, but also failed to do a good job of checking.

himeno_nanako said:
The page I spend the most time browsing on this site is the history page.
I go through all the history every day and do my best to check it.

And you do a titanesque work of actualization for the tags, too.

himeno_nanako said:
For the images uploaded by BQY, if wq accidentally missed a image, I can often see wq adding tags for the missed image the next day.
BQY not only failed to improve the tags, but also failed to do a good job of checking.

And I do quite the “final check” when WQ could not fill the missing tags (artists, most of the time, but Yume almost never thanked me¹ 😩). Team work, you say? ^^

¹ Not that I’m doing that for that purpose, though: my only goal is for posts to be as accurately tagged as possible and needed.

现在yande.re其实已经名存实亡了，这几天的post少得可怜，可悲的是人们还在守着老旧的规则，注册已经关闭了几年，已经完全没有新用户进来了，网站管理制度就应该进行修改来服务现存的用户，尤其是有贡献的用户。

Aleax said:
现在yande.re其实已经名存实亡了，这几天的post少得可怜，可悲的是人们还在守着老旧的规则，注册已经关闭了几年，已经完全没有新用户进来了，网站管理制度就应该进行修改来服务现存的用户，尤其是有贡献的用户。

4天接近300张也不算少了
何况要那么多又有何用，除非饥不择食，否则实际会保存的又有多少呢？

至于规则方面，你觉得哪里不合理直接提出便是，如果真不合理自然会得到修改

himeno_nanako said:
4天接近300张也不算少了
何况要那么多又有何用，除非饥不择食，否则实际会保存的又有多少呢？

至于规则方面，你觉得哪里不合理直接提出便是，如果真不合理自然会得到修改

从我进站以来基本上每天都会把新上传的post看一遍，平均下来每天20pages，自从hiroimo2走了之后就变成10pages不到了，现在BattlequeenYume走了之后每天就2-3pages，能favorites的post更是寥寥无几，因为我会确实的把favorites的图下载下来，所以对这种数量变化很敏感。

至于规则，好像看起来没什么问题，但是对于贵站的现状非常不利，以前没关注册，上传氛围活跃，利用规则稍微压制能给大家带来更好的浏览体验，但是现在是关闭注册几年，能保持每天活跃上传的人越来越少了，利用规则进行压制还有什么意义？个别用户的上传量那么大，但是规则只能释放这么点，大家都是老用户，show和-show又有什么区别呢，我已经习惯用holds:all来进行浏览了，对于真正想看图的人来说这完全不是问题，关闭注册了还需要考虑路人的体验吗？

Aleax said:
从我进站以来基本上每天都会把新上传的post看一遍，平均下来每天20pages，自从hiroimo2走了之后就变成10pages不到了，现在BattlequeenYume走了之后每天就2-3pages，能favorites的post更是寥寥无几，因为我会确实的把favorites的图下载下来，所以对这种数量变化很敏感。

首先你这个均值数据有点夸张了，说是最大值要准确些
其次能够达到最大值很大程度依赖于K、E等站点
最后BQY离开最直接的影响是每天少了几十张来自pixiv的图罢了

至于规则，好像看起来没什么问题，但是对于贵站的现状非常不利，以前没关注册，上传氛围活跃，利用规则稍微压制能给大家带来更好的浏览体验，但是现在是关闭注册几年，能保持每天活跃上传的人越来越少了，利用规则进行压制还有什么意义？个别用户的上传量那么大，但是规则只能释放这么点，大家都是老用户，show和-show又有什么区别呢，我已经习惯用holds:all来进行浏览了，对于真正想看图的人来说这完全不是问题，关闭注册了还需要考虑路人的体验吗？

据我所知，部分活跃用户的离开和关闭注册都涉及上面提到的某人的“光辉事迹”。
然后我觉得你有点想当然了，即使不考虑那些没注册的人，也有很多人不知道hold、-show、parent关系等东西。

• 圖片急遽變少是因為前陣子P站導入Cloudflare防止爬蟲網站抓取付費內容，api key失效就沒有資源可以爬蟲，這裡大部分的用戶都是轉貼K站的內容，那邊資源斷了這裡就沒圖片，目前是修復了可是什麼時候被牆是未知數，前提也要有人願意提供api key 給K爬
• 有長期關注這裡用戶動態的才會知道某人的豐功偉業逼走多少用戶離開，還有這麼多人要吹捧，說穿了這裡的用戶只識圖不識人
• 現在的狀態才是正常的，圖片少以後就會有潛水員浮上來分享圖片了
• 要不要開放註冊隨便，關閉註冊是有原因的，考古文就不提了
• 重質不重量是基本常識，這裡不是Danbooru 圖片還是要挑過再po

早期的萌妹只有掃圖或一些官方大圖
是這幾年有人開始把這裡當成D/GXXbooru每天轉一堆P站圖才開始暴增
我才覺得現在的萌妹才是回歸初衷
你真想看每天都看一堆P站圖大可去D跟G還沒有圖片尺寸限制

himeno_nanako said:
最后BQY离开最直接的影响是每天少了几十张来自pixiv的图罢了

sorafans said:
早期的萌妹只有掃圖或一些官方大圖
是這幾年有人開始把這裡當成D/GXXbooru每天轉一堆P站圖才開始暴增
我才覺得現在的萌妹才是回歸初衷
你真想看每天都看一堆P站圖大可去D跟G還沒有圖片尺寸限制

其实我不认可这些观点，yande跟那些D站、G站最大的区别是这里的用户具有一定水平的审美，不会说什么乱七八糟的图都上传上来，而个人去P站扫图筛图实在是麻烦至极，直接看经过用户筛选的图是最快捷的方式，所以那些站我是不屑于去看，而且既然规则没禁止用户也愿意上传，无论对网站内容量还是用户活跃都是正向的。

himeno_nanako said:
据我所知，部分活跃用户的离开和关闭注册都涉及上面提到的某人的“光辉事迹”。

whitespace1 said:

• 有長期關注這裡用戶動態的才會知道某人的豐功偉業逼走多少用戶離開，還有這麼多人要吹捧，說穿了這裡的用戶只識圖不識人

我确实对这些了解甚少，甚至这件事发生之后十天我才了解到状况，以后我会尽量保持关注。关闭注册我有点了解是因为有人大量上传恶意图和恶意批量修改tag的原因。至于逼走活跃用户我就真不清楚了，我没法反驳，但是有疑问，为什么管理会任由这种事件发生？

whitespace1 said:

• 現在的狀態才是正常的，圖片少以後就會有潛水員浮上來分享圖片了

这点我也不认同，比起潜水员我更愿意维护稳定上传者的立场，不能说因为没人上传了才等他们来救场（而且潜水员会不会愿意上传也是未知数），这完全是本末倒置，应该在活跃用户还在的时候就维系好，每一个活跃用户的离开都是网站和所有用户的损失。

Aleax said:
yande跟那些D站、G站最大的区别是这里的用户具有一定水平的审美，不会说什么乱七八糟的图都上传上来，而个人去P站扫图筛图实在是麻烦至极，直接看经过用户筛选的图是最快捷的方式，所以那些站我是不屑于去看，而且既然规则没禁止用户也愿意上传，无论对网站内容量还是用户活跃都是正向的。
比起潜水员我更愿意维护稳定上传者的立场，不能说因为没人上传了才等他们来救场（而且潜水员会不会愿意上传也是未知数），这完全是本末倒置，应该在活跃用户还在的时候就维系好，每一个活跃用户的离开都是网站和所有用户的损失。

你说的是有一定道理，问题是你没搞清楚状况。

某用户上传时基本只加tagme，然后等别人帮忙加tag（帮他最多的用户是wq）

• rating和loli之类的东西他会自己处理（原因自然是避免被警告和封禁）
• low-res的图片他会在上传之后马上加tag（因为wq不帮low-res的图片加tag）
• gweda的图片他会加完tag才上传（估计是因为该画师的图片来来去去就那几个tag很好加？即便这样他还是能经常漏加高频tag就是了）

除了某用户之外自然还有其他用户这样，但是数量是决定性的差异。

• 某用户几乎每天都这样子上传几十张图片

顺便某用户私信问我为什么不给他发正面评价时，我有在回复里提到tag的问题，而他的答复是没时间加tag。

综合以上，某用户的行为毫无疑问是一种恶意垄断行为，而这种行为是不利于活跃用户增长的。
我们需要的是更多活跃上传者，而不是一个垄断者，所以需要规则来对上传者进行限制。

最后，从头到尾都没人叫某用户离开。是他自己无法接受规则，无法接受自己的行为被记录在record页面。对于这种用户的离开怎么看都是利大于弊。

himeno_nanako said:
顺便某用户私信问我为什么不给他发正面评价时，我有在回复里提到tag的问题，而他的答复是没时间加tag。

综合以上，某用户的行为毫无疑问是一种恶意垄断行为，而这种行为是不利于活跃用户增长的。
我们需要的是更多活跃上传者，而不是一个垄断者，所以需要规则来对上传者进行限制。

最后，从头到尾都没人叫某用户离开。是他自己无法接受规则，无法接受自己的行为被记录在record页面。对于这种用户的离开怎么看都是利大于弊。

One of the reasons I left is because of you, not because I had a problem with the rules. Just to clarify.

釣出本人了w
我覺得觀眾都在霧裡看花，爭端只有兩造雙方的DM才能知道事情的來龍去脈，繼續吵這則評論的熱度也毫無意義，這裡的用戶本來就是來來去去，大家也不是全職貼圖，更遑論這麼舊的網站架構能有什麼獎勵制度，有人願意分享就萬幸了，毋須過份糾結評分紀錄，生不帶來死不帶去，但是她似乎把這個看的很重要，彷彿是她生命中的一部分？

himeno_nanako said:
顺便某用户私信问我为什么不给他发正面评价时，我有在回复里提到tag的问题，而他的答复是没时间加tag。

综合以上，某用户的行为毫无疑问是一种恶意垄断行为，而这种行为是不利于活跃用户增长的。
我们需要的是更多活跃上传者，而不是一个垄断者，所以需要规则来对上传者进行限制。

最后，从头到尾都没人叫某用户离开。是他自己无法接受规则，无法接受自己的行为被记录在record页面。对于这种用户的离开怎么看都是利大于弊。

FYI, Yume is also contributor on Sankaku and Konachan. Sankaku doesn't have a hold function like Yande or Kona, post must be properly tagged before uploading, otherwise they cannot edit the post after uploading. That's why Yume use hold function because it can be tagged at any time, but taggers are so fast and don't give Yume a chance to tagging the posts.
Edited.

我認為兩邊同時發圖片不是一件好事，因為你無法專注在某一件事情上，才會造成一堆圖片始終是tagme並hold的狀態，Mr.GT已經提醒過我們：當你有太多圖片要上傳時，你必須放慢你的上傳頻率。上傳圖片最多/頻率高的用戶，更應該作為表率，讓其他用戶知道怎麼做才是正確地，或是改變你的上傳方式，先把tag標記好再上傳。

BattlequeenYume said:
One of the reasons I left is because of you

“无法接受自己的行为被记录在record页面” This sentence contains this meaning.

Arsy said:
FYI, Yume is also contributor on Sankaku and Konachan. Sankaku doesn't have a hold function like Yande or Kona, post must be properly tagged before uploading, otherwise they cannot edit the post after uploading. That's why Yume use hold function because it can be tagged at any time, but taggers are so fast and don't give Yume a change to tagging the posts.

I don't think that's a good reason.
If he needs to spend time on other sites, why not just slow down his image upload speed on yande.re? Why not change the upload method?

Arsy said:
By the way, do you guys prefer "old rules" or "new rules" ?
Old rules: we're not allowed to use hold function and only used when pools uploads (howto:hold).
New rules: we're allowed to use hold function and release max 10 posts in certain time (forum #34255).
And I'm sure the meaning of "flood main index" by moonian is different with other mods. From howto:hold it say spamming the index with untagged posts.

Regarding this rule, I think the status quo should be maintained.
But this does not mean that the rules should be abused.
I think one of the original intentions of holding images should be to allow the uploader to complete the tags as quickly as possible, rather than waiting for others to help.
Also, I'm not blaming those users who wait for others to help them complete their tags.
I think the rules should be flexible.
So I mentioned earlier that the decisive difference between BQY and other users is the number and frequency of uploaded images.

himeno_nanako said:
“无法接受自己的行为被记录在record页面” This sentence contains this meaning.

The record wasn't the reason.

Arsy said:
FYI, Yume is also contributor on Sankaku and Konachan. Sankaku doesn't have a hold function like Yande or Kona, post must be properly tagged before uploading, otherwise they cannot edit the post after uploading. That's why Yume use hold function because it can be tagged at any time, but taggers are so fast and don't give Yume a change to tagging the posts.

At least someone who understands me.
Sometimes I had the *chance* to tag my uploads myself, but usually others were faster. Also, there was never a rule that you should tag your uploads in hold as quickly as possible.

BattlequeenYume said:
One of the reasons I left is because of you, not because I had a problem with the rules. Just to clarify.

我希望你能为自己辩解一下，虽然有人帮你说话但是 解铃还须系铃人(Whoever tied the bell must untie it.)，你不主动为自己争取利益其他人都无能为力，而且有什么是不能用沟通解决的呢？

(Thanks to DeepL for the help for the following post)

I dream that this problem can be solved and that Yume and Nanako can finally get along and things can go back to the way they were (well, sort of: no need to go so far as to post 5 new pages a day, especially as quality should prevail over quantity). Because even though you’re all just usernames here, I don’t want anyone to leave.

Although I haven’t looked at their history, Yume isn’t such an extreme case as Dreista and Kiyoe (who never tag their posts and don’t care), are they? I think there must be a better way of accommodating everyone than stopping Yume’s contributions altogether.

@BattlequeenYume 没有必要离开、相遇在这个网站皆是缘份，这个网站帮助我找到很多优秀画师和作品，其中有些还是你上传的呢！如Aleax说，这个网站的审美比别的网站更好、因为上传的图片都有经过筛选，上传者们为我这个大忙人（大嘘）节省时间找到好的作品，真是感谢。

Trit said:
Yume isn’t such an extreme case as Dreista and Kiyoe (who never tag their posts and don’t care), are they?

That's right. In Dreista case, he just uploaded everything to main index then don't care with tags or even adding artist tags. In next few hours he uploads batch again without holding and of course never adding tags.

You can't complain after you tagged their posts. At least Yume planned and care to tag the post and I'm sure other uploader too. I hope there is a better way to solve this case.

Ladies,

Believe me, I surf this site frequently and read most messages, including the Chinese messages that you think I wouldn't bother to read.

In BattleQueenYume case, I did take a look at his tagging activities and I think he put some efforts into tagging his posts although given the volume he post, it might not be enough in the eyes of the mods, but it wasn't the case here according to him.

I'll private message him to see what the issues are.

In fact, there are many solutions available.
Whether the problem can be solved depends on BQY's attitude.

①Focus on working on only one site at a time.
Not having time to do tagging because you have to upload to multiple sites is not a valid reason.

②Change the upload method.
As we all know, only one tagme is added when uploading in order to upload before other users.
BQY uploads so many images every day.
Is there any user planning to upload all these images before BQY?
The answer is no. At most, only a few images were uploaded by other users first.
Please use this upload method only when it is really necessary.

himeno_nanako said:
In fact, there are many solutions available.
Whether the problem can be solved depends on BQY's attitude.

①Focus on working on only one site at a time.
Not having time to do tagging because you have to upload to multiple sites is not a valid reason.

②Change the upload method.
As we all know, only one tagme is added when uploading in order to upload before other users.
BQY uploads so many images every day.
Is there any user planning to upload all these images before BQY?
The answer is no. At most, only a few images were uploaded by other users first.
Please use this upload method only when it is really necessary.

• Focus on working on only one site at a time

it is not a concern if a member chooses to upload to this site or any number of others, as long as they adhere to the established guidelines here.

• As we all know, only one tagme is added when uploading in order to upload before other users [...]

"tagme" can be a useful tool, allowing users to prioritize uploading first and completing the tagging process later. However, it’s important that "later" refers to a reasonable timeframe, preferably within a few days, rather than weeks or months.

I'm not sure if BattleQueenYume has very old content that remained untagged for months. However, if BattleQueenYume has been tagging their posts properly within a few days, then I don't see an issue.

That said, tagging is a significant community effort and a valuable resource that we all contribute to collectively.

I've messaged BattleQueenYume to provide additional clarity. While he/she may choose not to post here anymore, a decision I fully respect, I hope we can at least clear up any misunderstandings regarding the guidelines.

Through this topic, I would like to take the opportunity to ask: How can one level up to become a contributor? I believe this is also a topic of interest for the vast majority of active uploaders on this website.

Yeah. In Konachan, I got Contributor level by Wiresetc after uploading 1000 post with less deletion. But here I don't know what qualifies for the Contributor level. Things that I curious is what level can use Batch Uploads.

whitespace1 said:
Through this topic, I would like to take the opportunity to ask: How can one level up to become a contributor? I believe this is also a topic of interest for the vast majority of active uploaders on this website.

Normally, I'd made something up here but I'll be brutally honest that it's a combination of luck and effort. Sometimes I just surf around and notice something nice that was uploaded by a member, I'd then take a look at their profile and if that impresses me, I'd hand out the title.

Yande.re was established as a platform for uploading scans. Unfortunately, physical releases have become increasingly scarce, but it is a hint that we value physical release here above all.

Checkmate said:
Normally, I'd made something up here but I'll be brutally honest that it's a combination of luck and effort. Sometimes I just surf around and notice something nice that was uploaded by a member, I'd then take a look at their profile and if that impresses me, I'd hand out the title.

Yande.re was established as a platform for uploading scans. Unfortunately, physical releases have become increasingly scarce, but it is a hint that we value physical release here above all.

Yes, I have noticed that many users became contributors early on, even though their number of posts is not particularly high. Objectively speaking, I believe that contribution level should not be determined solely by post count. Otherwise, some might exploit the system by uploading one image with nine slight variations just to inflate their numbers.

Subjectively, factors such as sharing subscription-based content, ensuring the quality of uploaded images, and actively participating in community discussions should all be taken into consideration. I believe that uploaders who have been active here for several years deserve to qualify as contributors. I am not just advocating for myself but also for them. This is not about seeking vanity; rather, it is about recognizing and appreciating the efforts of these dedicated contributors. Acknowledging their work will also motivate them to continue contributing to the platform.

While I hesitate to make a public statement, our goal is to recognize and reward those uploaders who provide "tasteful" content that aligns with the site's culture.

So it's more of a tool to make sure everything here heads in the right direction.

Checkmate said:
it is not a concern if a member chooses to upload to this site or any number of others, as long as they adhere to the established guidelines here.

So uploading on other sites should not be used as an excuse for not having time to add tags.

Checkmate said:
"tagme" can be a useful tool, allowing users to prioritize uploading first and completing the tagging process later. However, it's important that "later" refers to a reasonable timeframe, preferably within a few days, rather than weeks or months.

In fact, it doesn't take long to add tags to images.
So I think even a few hours is a bit too long.
Of course, I don't mean to say that strict requirements should be imposed in this regard.

Arsy said:
Things that I curious is what level can use Batch Uploads.

The batch upload feature suddenly appeared a long time ago.
I thought it was a new feature that was rolled out to all users.
It turns out that it's because I have been promoted to the level of Contributor.

But I think the batch upload function is not as easy to use as the normal upload function.
Maybe I don't understand the correct operation of batch upload.

About Contributor:
I personally think that Arsy and whitespace1 are both qualified enough to be promoted to the Contributor level.
They frequently upload nice images to this site.
At the same time, they can complete the work of adding tags as quickly as possible.

In addition, I think Trit should also be promoted to the level of Contributor.
He often helps other users to add tags.
And he persisted in this behavior for many years.

himeno_nanako said:
But I think the batch upload function is not as easy to use as the normal upload function.
Maybe I don't understand the correct operation of batch upload.

In Konachan I can use Batch Upload but it's in “Pending” status and needs mods approval.
Batch Upload is useful when uploading pools with 50+ posts and of course you can holding at the same time.

Checkmate said:
"tagme" can be a useful tool, allowing users to prioritize uploading first and completing the tagging process later.

Yeah, and that's something that Himeno don't understand.
After all, we're talking about a few hours that I need to finish the tagging and not days.

himeno_nanako said:
So uploading on other sites should not be used as an excuse for not having time to add tags.

In fact, it doesn't take long to add tags to images.
So I think even a few hours is a bit too long.
Of course, I don't mean to say that strict requirements should be imposed in this regard.

It means that as long as the tagging are done within a few days, then it shouldn't be any problems, less than a week (7 days) means within a few days in my terms.

I hope this clears up everything.

I personally think that Arsy and whitespace1 are both qualified enough to be promoted to the Contributor level. [...] In addition, I think Trit should also be promoted to the level of Contributor.

Sure, and Trit profile looks like a stealth profile so senpai didn't notice him lol.

himeno_nanako said:
In addition, I think Trit should also be promoted to the level of Contributor.
He often helps other users to add tags.
And he persisted in this behavior for many years.

It would be an honor, even if I never asked for so much! 😳

Checkmate said:
Sure, and Trit profile looks like a stealth profile so senpai didn't notice him lol.

Well, I just do my things (almost) every night on my side. This is the least I can do for a site that entertains me for… Oh, boy! 10 years already since my first tag edit?! And soon 16y since I have created my account (but I know it since 2007, from the moe.imouto.org era)? How time can fly so fast… It’s up to you to decide, really.

Trit said:
It would be an honor, even if I never asked for so much! 😳

Well, I just do my things (almost) every night on my side. This is the least I can do for a site that entertains me for… Oh, boy! 10 years already?! And soon 16y since I have created my account (but I know it since 2007, from the moe.imouto.org era)? How time can fly so fast… It’s up to you to decide, really.

It was already decided after that message though?

Checkmate said:
It was already decided after that message though?

Well, I did not see that yet! ^^' Thank you!

The upgrade to Contributor level has been completed. This upgrade includes not only me but also Arsy and Trit. Many thanks to Checkmate for the help and to himeno_nanako for the recommendation.🙏
Now, there is an additional option for anonymous posting when uploading.