I would like to see some proof please.WtfCakes said:
The term for tsundere has become completely intangible like the word "moe", but yandere is extremely more specific when shown in illustrations.
Lmao I simply mean, just go through the yandere posts and see how concrete the "yandere" aspect is in them.
And then compare that to a hypothetical tsundere tag. :roll:
And then compare that to a hypothetical tsundere tag. :roll:
This keeps coming up in the comments (yeah mostly by me) but after the resolution of the bloomers / buruma issue I need a new soapbox ;)
Because there is no tag (and not enough content to warrant a new tag) for "chinese_clothes" and people complain when you tag that type of clothing as "japanese_clothes" I think we should change that tag to something more generic. I've suggested "asian_clothes".
Most Japanese clothes get tagged under more specific tags - miko yukata kimono are the most prevalent. This tag is more used for clothes that don't fit there, which is not a huge number - a quick check shows that there are more of the 3 I mentioned above than of japanese_clothes on the site, and there's not much double-tagging. Also, something like chinadress shouldn't be double-tagged if we created a new tag.
Someone else's opinion on the matter:
Because there is no tag (and not enough content to warrant a new tag) for "chinese_clothes" and people complain when you tag that type of clothing as "japanese_clothes" I think we should change that tag to something more generic. I've suggested "asian_clothes".
Most Japanese clothes get tagged under more specific tags - miko yukata kimono are the most prevalent. This tag is more used for clothes that don't fit there, which is not a huge number - a quick check shows that there are more of the 3 I mentioned above than of japanese_clothes on the site, and there's not much double-tagging. Also, something like chinadress shouldn't be double-tagged if we created a new tag.
Someone else's opinion on the matter:
khankazz165 said:
i have grave doubts about if there're japanese clothes
i suggest add a tag like "oriental" in pixiv for some works hard to identify as japanese, chinese, or orther oriental style
What about the "cute" or "kawaii" tag I've seen on some other sites? That's totally based on someone's opinion tooWtfCakes said:
The term for tsundere has become completely intangible like the word "moe", but yandere is extremely more specific when shown in illustrations.
I think changing it to asian_clothes or oriental_clothes would help with the complaints. Or just have japanese_clothes and a catchall asian/oriental_clothes for everything else. The complaints are getting to be pretty regular, seems most everything tagged with japanese_clothes when it's really Chinese gets comments complaining. （￣～￣;）
Actually it's probably only Chinese clothing that is an issue. I don't think I've ever noticed a picture with Korean clothing for example, if there are any they're relatively rare. But Chinese clothing is becoming more common, so maybe it's time to make a chinese_clothing tag as well. I think other asian-specific clothing types are rare enough that there's no real need to tag them. (This could change later on, like how Chinese clothing has become more common.) ヾ(´･ω･｀)
Actually it's probably only Chinese clothing that is an issue. I don't think I've ever noticed a picture with Korean clothing for example, if there are any they're relatively rare. But Chinese clothing is becoming more common, so maybe it's time to make a chinese_clothing tag as well. I think other asian-specific clothing types are rare enough that there's no real need to tag them. (This could change later on, like how Chinese clothing has become more common.) ヾ(´･ω･｀)
It's been discussed before on comments although we never came to a conclusion about this, but I've been thinking about adding the historical character tags for bakumatsu and sengoku series in addition to the qualified tags. For instance, posts containing Okita Souji from Peacemaker Kurogane and posts with Okita Souji from Hakuouki, would both get the okita_souji tag in addition to each okita_souji_(series) tag. Any objections?
I think I changed most of the Sengoku ones already and I have a draft of the wiki. I'll try to get around to the Bakumatsu ones soon.
I believe all the sengoku ones are qualified, but currently we're not using the general/historical character tag. What about using both? It wouldn't work any differently than lockon_stratos. It's a hassle finding the proper qualified tags, it could be useful (eg. nouhime).
Great work on the wiki page! It's going to be a fantastic reference for tagging. I don't know how ambiguous tags work, but I still like the idea of using the historical character tags as "metacharacter" tags better.
(eta) Went ahead and changed some minor things on the wiki page (listed everything alphabetically). I ended up removing the child/court names, since the character tags are listed right away, there's no mistaking them. What do you think?
(eta #2) Shamelessly copied your sengoku page and this happened. These were the only tags I was able to locate, they aren't as much as I suspected. I'm uneasy about Rurouni Kenshin, since most characters are inspired but not actually based upon historical characters, so I only qualified Saitou. There's also the Gakuen Shinsengumi! vn which I never heard of...
(eta) Went ahead and changed some minor things on the wiki page (listed everything alphabetically). I ended up removing the child/court names, since the character tags are listed right away, there's no mistaking them. What do you think?
(eta #2) Shamelessly copied your sengoku page and this happened. These were the only tags I was able to locate, they aren't as much as I suspected. I'm uneasy about Rurouni Kenshin, since most characters are inspired but not actually based upon historical characters, so I only qualified Saitou. There's also the Gakuen Shinsengumi! vn which I never heard of...
This could work. I put in all the implication suggestions...but if I were to approve them, it would effectively double the number of character tags on every Bakumatsu/Sengoku-related image. Would that still be helpful?Lua said:
Great work on the wiki page! It's going to be a fantastic reference for tagging. I don't know how ambiguous tags work, but I still like the idea of using the historical character tags as "metacharacter" tags better.
Yeah, looks great.(eta) Went ahead and changed some minor things on the wiki page (listed everything alphabetically). I ended up removing the child/court names, since the character tags are listed right away, there's no mistaking them. What do you think?
Oh... oh dear. Three pages of implications. Hmmm, as much as I like the idea of having all characters together in the same tag, you're right about that, on solo images it wouldn't hurt, but on those pictures with a lot of characters it could become a mess. I was thinking it could be helpful for quickly finding a specific character without having to check the wiki every time, as the tag suggestions aren't always available. For instance, searching for date_masamune shows me absolutely nothing but chickens, nouhime on the other hand, has a couple of suggestions at the very least.
(eta) ...I keep forgetting we can use the wildcard for image search as well. Can we alias wildcard searches? (Is this even possible?)
(eta) ...I keep forgetting we can use the wildcard for image search as well. Can we alias wildcard searches? (Is this even possible?)
I've tried it before, and it is possible to approve them, but they don't actually work (see this alias).Lua said:
(eta) ...I keep forgetting we can use the wildcard for image search as well. Can we alias wildcard searches? (Is this even possible?)
Hmm, that particular alias seems problematic. I wonder if they work if it's something simpler? If we could alias date_masamune* to date_masamune for example, we would get the same results as the implications without having to use them.
I think your meaning is aliasing date_masamune to date_masamune*? Anyway it doesn't work.Lua said:
Hmm, that particular alias seems problematic. I wonder if they work if it's something simpler? If we could alias date_masamune* to date_masamune for example, we would get the same results as the implications without having to use them.
http://oreno.imouto.org/tag_alias?query=date_masamune
About bottomless:
Now I found our definition is musch closer to danbooru's no_pants instead of its bottomless. IMO, danbooru's difinition meets this word's original meaning better, and actually I was tagging as so before.
Why not change ours to be consistent with danbooru's?
Now I found our definition is musch closer to danbooru's no_pants instead of its bottomless. IMO, danbooru's difinition meets this word's original meaning better, and actually I was tagging as so before.
Why not change ours to be consistent with danbooru's?
I consider it was ambiguous since the beggining, I use it as a a stronger nopan.
I don't understand why we need to match ours to theirs. Maybe for consistency sake, but we're not danbooru.fireattack said:
About bottomless:
Now I found our definition is musch closer to danbooru's no_pants instead of its bottomless. IMO, danbooru's difinition meets this word's original meaning better, and actually I was tagging as so before.
Why not change ours to be consistent with danbooru's?
The main point is "danbooru's difinition meets this word's original meaning better" as I mentioned.aoie_emesai said:
I don't understand why we need to match ours to theirs. Maybe for consistency sake, but we're not danbooru.
ahhhhfireattack said:
The main point is "danbooru's difinition meets this word's original meaning better" as I mentioned.
For clarity purpose bottomless is more vague/ambiguous and would meet the tagging needs more and nopan is simply no panties. No pants would be no pants I would consider and used universally with any images with no pants.
That makes it pretty clear on what this tag means. (lots of exceptions too, sounds like government laws now >.>)...but is still wearing some form of upper-body clothing
Our topless is as same as danbooru's, that means girls aren't wearing any clothing on the upper-body (includes normal colothes and bras). Similarly, as the opposite of topless, bottomless IMO should mean don't wear anything (includes pants, skirts or panties) on the lower-body.aoie_emesai said:
ahhhh
For clarity purpose bottomless is more vague/ambiguous and would meet the tagging needs more and nopan is simply no panties. No pants would be no pants I would consider and used universally with any images with no pants.
That makes it pretty clear on what this tag means. (lots of exceptions too, sounds like government laws now >.>)
Of course if you people wanna keep our own difinition it's OK; but don't forget to check old posts and add nopan to the ones like post #168569, post #166120, etc., since ours merely means "no_pants". (I don't do it just because I have question about difinition)
Yes, that is the way I have been using it, maybe some people dont have that very clear (remember the discussion on post #143413) Probably vistigris' idea was make the tag similar to danbooru, such as the other tags he created.fireattack said:
bottomless IMO should mean don't wear anything (includes pants, skirts or panties) on the lower-body.
Any last thoughts re: Sengoku implications? I think I'll approve all of them tomorrow.
They look good. Had to do my own research after that incident >.>
Good+1
.... accelerator is the name of one character.
Loads of unnecessary tags.aoie_emesai said:
Probably more.
Could merge into sport or something similar.
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