We see far fewer faults on ODA (Original Digital Art) compared to that seen on scanned images, so why delete them?
From my perspective perhaps we spend too much time deleting images because they are from DeviantArt rather then judging them on their merits.
The problem is how do you judge an ODA image on something as subjective as 'quality'? Why should we delete something because it is from DA? Why should Pixiv images be treated differently?
Discuss.
From my perspective perhaps we spend too much time deleting images because they are from DeviantArt rather then judging them on their merits.
The problem is how do you judge an ODA image on something as subjective as 'quality'? Why should we delete something because it is from DA? Why should Pixiv images be treated differently?
Discuss.
My take is pretty simple, if they are well drawn art? why not post them here? Does it mater who or where it came from?
IMHO 'poor quality art' is a legitimate reason for deletion. Most of these feature anatomical errors that are clearly not intended to be stylistic. This should apply to both pixiv and DA works.
Usually I give 'DA' as a reason for deletion due to poor quality art or the work being stylistically western rather than Japanese.
Usually I give 'DA' as a reason for deletion due to poor quality art or the work being stylistically western rather than Japanese.
I've had a negative atittude to dA artwork because it has encouraged users to post their art.
A quality control would be unfair practically, we should check if it is at least well drawn, which is pretty relative too
And the same with pixiv.
A quality control would be unfair practically, we should check if it is at least well drawn, which is pretty relative too
And the same with pixiv.
I am registred on DA and i think it is ok to post images from DA if you ask the artiste before.
If someone would post one of my drawings
i'll honored ^^ but i prefer to know that someone post my art
I don't know if you can understand me...
If someone would post one of my drawings
i'll honored ^^ but i prefer to know that someone post my art
I don't know if you can understand me...
Which is what I've been trying to do with the stuff I've been collecting from shuushuu. For every image I upload there is probably five more with non-deliberate anatomical mistakes, and just generally poorly drawn.blooregardo said:
be unfair practically, we should check if it is at least well drawn, which is pretty relative too
And the same with pixiv.
We actually want to avoid people uploading their own work. You may think your the perfect artist, but are you really? I won't make any judgements on your artwork as I haven't seen it.keri-sama said:
If someone would post one of my drawings
i'll honored ^^ but i prefer to know that someone post my art
The thing is that some users, maybe most users, don't ask permission from the artist at all and post the art somewhere. Then that gets posted in another location by a different user...and so and so.keri-sama said:
I am registred on DA and i think it is ok to post images from DA if you ask the artiste before.
Radioactive said:
We actually want to avoid people uploading their own work. You may think your the perfect artist, but are you really? I won't make any judgements on your artwork as I haven't seen it.
If it looks pro, fine. If it looks like the DA fan art category average, send it back.
<edit>Oh look, someone provided an example. user:DeadRitsu</edit>
If they want to post their own work then they should run it though forums first - it never hurts to get a 2nd opinion, I still do it.
So long as credit is given, I've never had a problem with re-posting of my work. I expect many artists would go with this because as we all know, once it's online you'll never have complete control over it.
I have a DA too. I've just never posted on it because my fixes, edits and wallpapers are good enough to survive here & kona. I have an animepaper too in fact.
<edit>Oh look, someone provided an example. user:DeadRitsu</edit>
If they want to post their own work then they should run it though forums first - it never hurts to get a 2nd opinion, I still do it.
So long as credit is given, I've never had a problem with re-posting of my work. I expect many artists would go with this because as we all know, once it's online you'll never have complete control over it.
I have a DA too. I've just never posted on it because my fixes, edits and wallpapers are good enough to survive here & kona. I have an animepaper too in fact.
I'm still a believer of the "pixiv stuff should stay on pixiv" and "DA stuff should stay on DA" but, since there are no rules, and some drawings are pretty high quality enough, i try to judge based on objective quality standards (like res, artifacts, etc). Of course every mod will end to have to judge artwork based on "it's terribad" "it's so-so". Hence why there are more mods now..if someone feels ambiguos, someone else can give another opinion.Also about the "artist permission" stuff, i'm just gonna say the usual. "You posted it on the internet? Then let people enjoy it and don't cause pointless credit drama".
As a doujin painter myself, I don't think it's good to post them on Imouto. On pixiv the illustrators admistrate their works themselves, but on imouto, works deleted or re-edited by groups who cares nothing about concept but image-size and so-called quality (I mean, really hard to judge, right?). Pixiv and DA are for authors but Imouto not, I bet not all painters could accept rules here.syaoran-kun said:
I'm still a believer of the "pixiv stuff should stay on pixiv" and "DA stuff should stay on DA" but, since there are no rules, and some drawings are pretty high quality enough, i try to judge based on objective quality standards (like res, artifacts, etc). Of course every mod will end to have to judge artwork based on "it's terribad" "it's so-so". Hence why there are more mods now..if someone feels ambiguos, someone else can give another opinion.Also about the "artist permission" stuff, i'm just gonna say the usual. "You posted it on the internet? Then let people enjoy it and don't cause pointless credit drama".
About the permission, I just wanna add one point... some authors may not argue about posting their works on Imouto, but it doesn't mean they like this. Rules are different, Imouto has functions such as "Child Post" which change the original post and also accepts re-edited works. Certain copyright-related troubles await, think carefully.
Moe has the "high quality" theme here. There's a reason for it to be strict.
There are other image boards that isn't so strict. Danbooru (the very first booru going by the Overbooru) has pretty much an "anything goes" theme (with certain rules that are changing but usually not strict).
There are other image boards that isn't so strict. Danbooru (the very first booru going by the Overbooru) has pretty much an "anything goes" theme (with certain rules that are changing but usually not strict).
When I'm mentioning the quality issue, it means how disqualified images from their originals. it's mechanically determined, and not difficult to judge with knowledges of image editing.
There are immature drawings I can tell what skills they need, but I don't delete them currently.
There are immature drawings I can tell what skills they need, but I don't delete them currently.
I think that regardless of the origin of a work, it should be judged carefully. I've seen more than one work on this site that came from dA or whatnot that also happened to be quite excellent (at least, in my opinion) but got shot down anyway. I'm not sure if I've seen things that were crap that stayed, but I know I saw one stick around for at least a full day after I called attention to it.
The big problem with judging art is that we're all fallible, and all have different ideas of what's good and what isn't. Frankly, unless something's just so godawful hideous that you don't know how it got here, there should be some sort of grace period or something to get input from more than one or two people.
Of course, I don't know if that's possible, especially given the size of this site, but...ehh, just throwing out ideas.
The big problem with judging art is that we're all fallible, and all have different ideas of what's good and what isn't. Frankly, unless something's just so godawful hideous that you don't know how it got here, there should be some sort of grace period or something to get input from more than one or two people.
Of course, I don't know if that's possible, especially given the size of this site, but...ehh, just throwing out ideas.
how about mine i draw nero chaos from tsukihime and almost like official art and you delete to and the reason it belong to da
Aaaaaand...there goes any chance of having dA art hosted here again. Good job.blacklist1 said:
how about mine i draw nero chaos from tsukihime and almost like official art and you delete to and the reason it belong to da
...Seriously, though. We're discussing revising our deletion policies and all you do is complain your art got nuked? Without even telling us which post it was? That's, like, bad, bro.
Edit: All right, checking your username found the post. Of course, this means you uploaded it yourself, which I'm reasonably certain goes against site policies.
I'd have deleted it too. The "By:Robin G" is something only amateurs do.blacklist1 said:
how about mine i draw nero chaos from tsukihime and almost like official art and you delete to and the reason it belong to da
Pros either hide it in the image, limit it to a line at the bottom, or use a barely seen watermark (though a bad one gets it deleted here too).
I must agree, Syaoran-kun.syaoran-kun said:
Also about the "artist permission" stuff, i'm just gonna say the usual. "You posted it on the internet? Then let people enjoy it and don't cause pointless credit drama".
My criteria for deviantART and Pixiv images are the exact same of scanned images: Beauty, quality, idea, purpose, and artist style.
Beauty - Is this picture beautiful? Cute? Moe? Whatever? Do you like looking at it? Would you download it, or no, too atrocious for your computer? The art may not be that good, but it may be cute and attractive in some ways.
Quality - The effects of coloring, the lineart arrange, the techniques. In other words, the experience of the artist, and the effort he/she put on his/her art piece.
Idea - Funny? Disturbing? Is this picture different, new, creative in any way? In case of fan art, is the situation created for the depicted characters cool and attaching by any chance?
Purpose - Why was this picture created for? Moe? Fan service? To impress? To shock? To disgust? What is it doing here? Do people here like this purpose? Does the quality of the illustration fit this purpose?
Artist style - Does this artist have a great style? Is it well-developed? Is it at least developed enough? Is it a bit poorly-drawn, but yet original and pretty? This part is a bit hard, people think very differently about styles.
What I'd like to make clear - Images shouldn't be judged by where they come from, and yes by what they are. Images are still images. The same quality criteria applied to scans should be applied to ODA.
This is what I think about it. Hope it helps. And sorry for the long boring comment. I'm terrible on making things short.
btw, I wanna kill takeuchi_naoko due to immatureness of drawing (mainly, lack of cubic sense) (ﾟ∀ﾟ)
post #17818 is a good example of artist who has style and beauty but lacks anatomic qualities, with an art-style excuse. Well I believe it's more acceptable than post #103246
The only good think on the whole drawing is Rangiku's face silhouette. The rest is atrocious. Mainly Halibel's eyes.
Not meaning to offend Bleach artworks. This post #115105 is gorgeous, and I like the different and pretty style on post #129193
The only good think on the whole drawing is Rangiku's face silhouette. The rest is atrocious. Mainly Halibel's eyes.
Not meaning to offend Bleach artworks. This post #115105 is gorgeous, and I like the different and pretty style on post #129193
I am okay with pixiv and deviantart stuff as long as it consistent in quality and overall relevance. The only thing that's really bugging me is all of the images that are under 1000x1000 pixels that Pixiv has brought in. It's not that I don't appreciate these artworks or I don't think they're high quality, but I come to moe for the quality AND high res combined. If I just wanted quality images and didn't care about resolution, I could go someplace else. (I would just browse Pixiv, really.) The standards here are what makes moe.imouto so great. Low res and low quality get weeded out.
I'll have to disagree.
There are some really great images <1000 and we really shouldn't discriminate against them.
There are some really great images <1000 and we really shouldn't discriminate against them.
Even I were like you Riven. I came to understand, that the quality is overall more important that the resolution of the image we are looking at. While a great deal do come from pixiv, we have just as many high res scans that come about anyways.
Who is it? I saw one thumbnail and 'bout cried... I'm not good, but I'm not that bad either. With no scanner to prove otherwise, I'll just slink back into my hole.midzki said:
btw, I wanna kill takeuchi_naoko due to immatureness of drawing (mainly, lack of cubic sense) (ﾟ∀ﾟ)
Riven, you can use the tag mpixels:>3 or any other number to find what you need. I usually type it when I only want high-res.
It's such an useful tag!
It's such an useful tag!
She's the author of sailor_moon.Rhekshi-Ehki said:
Who is it? I saw one thumbnail and 'bout cried... I'm not good, but I'm not that bad either. With no scanner to prove otherwise, I'll just slink back into my hole.
I don't go there so I don't really care about them.
Uh-Oh. At least we make an effort to properly acknowledge the artist.blooregardo said:
lol
Since pixiv hasn't any rights about images they get, they can only say "contact the artists before distribute them somewhere else"
This seems to be an ongoing struggle...
Radioactive
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